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Dark Mac
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Disappointed that the article doesn't mention David Production using AI for in-between animation in Jojo and their other series.
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FilthyCasual
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TheSleepyMonkey
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Assume you're talking about CACANi, and even then, that's still better than what most people try to use AI for. It's not like they're just letting the program do everything for them, there's still input from animators so that the timing is consistent and doesn't look janky. |
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FormX
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There is perhaps unintentional irony here in offhandedly mentioning Hatsune Miku.
AI has already been applied to Vocaloid (JP usage) or Vocal Synths (EN usage) years before the AI art debate, since 2018. By now, all major Vocal Synth software have incorporated AI, with the exception of Crypton, the creators behind Hastune Miku. This is a constant source of contention within the EN community, that Miku does not sound realistic and human like the other voice banks. There is fair criticism, her current iteration NT sounding worse than her Vocaloid4, which may be a result of Crypton leaving Yamaha's Vocaloid engine to make there own in house platform. It's an interesting stance, attempting to carve out and retain a sound that's characteristically Vocaloid as opposed to humanlike AI. |
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Kicksville
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The most immediate problem it seems like AI poses is just clogging everything full of crap. It's not unlike how Google is a hell of a lot less useful now thanks to being pumped full of SEO spam (which funny enough in turn makes ChatGPT look more impressive, since it's occasionally better than Google at finding information - a surprisingly low bar).
I know artists are getting fed up with Pixiv and DeviantArt in particular (not that the latter was especially beloved), since stats have gone down with tags easily dominated by AI art made in a few minutes. All it takes is one or two people generating a bunch of stuff, and a character tag is worthless. It seems like Pixiv has been trying to approach this carefully, since they probably know coming down in the wrong way could actually make it harder to moderate, but it doesn't seem to have been satisfactory so far. It's ended up being X/Twitter, of all places, where artists haven't been hurt as much, probably due to reposts and direct follows being more important. But there have been a whole separate set of issues there, like posts with links or referring to other websites being deboosted (not great for promoting your Patreon), and of course the upcoming terms of use change allowing them to use your images with AI. |
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AsleepBySunset
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I still can't find evidence on if CACANi is or isn't ai, |
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Blanchimont
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It isn't, exactly, perhaps you could call it adaptive automation tool for inbetween animation. Sort of partway to AI, you will still need keyframes, preferably plenty of them for good result... It's used by many studios. |
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MarshalBanana
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AI has the advantage of not requiring a salary, which is good for the only who run these companies.
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juaifan
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Do those artists know you can omit AI art from your search results and tags? Seems like an odd complaint when there's a very easy way to disable that stuff from showing up in your feed. |
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Thaumana
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There are completely different issues addressed here. First, only a few people actually tag their AI-generated stuff with the AI tag (since most of them want to deliberately cloak their AI art as actually drawn art while also trying to get a pass with their AI-generated paywall content which Pixiv just recently prohibited on their service sites), so even if you exclude AI-tagged content in your options you will still get to see quite a bunch of AI-generated stuff. (Same reason why the opt-in/opt-out "features" on many content generating sites like DeviantArt are a complete farce. Just placebo marketing that implies the exclusion of your work from the AI training sources and creating a facade of choice and control. Just because you, as the original creator, can opt-out, it won't help much against repost accounts that will reupload content and artworks from other creators while checking the opt-in option so that the stolen content will end up as fodder in the database either way without the original creator's consent - As if it wasn't calculated by those who were responsible for the AI integration on those sites in the first place) Also, it is not only about the artists' own perception. As mentioned, due to the high output and frequency this AI content is getting generated per day (let alone per hour), tags get diluted by AI dominated stuff making it even much, much harder nowadays to "stand out" with drawn content as it already has been since everything is getting dug easily by the upload masses (considering that many uploaders ignore the AI check box unintentionally or not), which also cause a problem for regular non-artists visitors, too. Uploads got limited on a few sites for that reason. (You can try out searching for any random tag like some fashion element or any fetish stuff, and chances are very high that every second image you stumble across throughout the galleries is made by AI) Hell, even if you were just trying to look for any RL or pop culture references or fantasy creature examples on google, one can immediately see how a big evident portion of the image results "originated" from an AI service/site. My personal issue on that matter is that many of those AI tools in question, like NovelAI, can imitate any certain artists' specific art styles to such a somewhat faithful degree that you can barely tell the difference from the original artist's work (there is a big twitter AI art account that can copy CLAMP's unique CCS art style almost 1:1 making a lot of users even actually think that it's an actual CLAMP account) while taking commercially advantages of it with easy low-effort paywall or shop service accounts here and there. Apart from its one-sided exploitative and parasitic features, I for my part also view most of those tools that specialize on copying specific artists as a form of identity theft (and no one can convince me otherwise, considering that the names of those copied artists in question are incorporated as style prompts and tags in the AI database + Especially since last year's AI hype was met with widespread hostility from many enthusiasts towards artists). About the latter, I heard a lot of takes from content creators outside the art community like VAs or content creating Youtubers who still feel relaxed enough about the situation when they see deepfake parodies or clone channels of their own video accounts and laugh it off as some ephemeral gag or simply assume it's only about the narrow-minded debate that "no one can copyright their own (drawing) style" but who knows how they would think about the whole matter as soon as AI will be able to completely imitate their personality and produce content in the same style as their own - in much higher frequency at that. Only a fraction of users will actually use such tools for their own entertaining, harmless purposes. As the quality and easiness of imitation increases, it will also automatically give rise to many new levels of impersonation and scams. |
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writerpatrick
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AI tends to produce a very average product. It takes samples and produces an average of them. As such the results tend to come across as mediocre. It seems more impressive if it uses an impressionistic art style because people will naturally fill in the blanks. But AI lacks true creativity, it just copies the creativity of others.
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Multi-Facets
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dA in particular threw us under multiple busses. First it opened the entire site to AI-scraping, then it said artists can opt out from that, then it said only CORE members can opt out, and then it implemented a super-invasive cookie policy that'll probably not be optional for long. Thaumana (in their post above) also has some interesting info on this. |
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