Forum - View topicINTEREST: World Copyright Watchdog Publishes Piece on Manga Piracy
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CrownKlown
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Im sure the worldwide recession, and quake have nothing to do with; nor the fact the quantity of manga released these days has increase several fold. I am not denying piracy or the like does not effect media industries, but these groups with these articles are always so ridiculously bias and overlook some pretty important factors that may have more significant contributions. I remember one of my economics did a study on this regarding movies or was it music, and found the effect of piracy to be significantly less damaging than claimed.
I mean naruto/one piece have to be some of the most pirated/bootlegged/scanned works, yet last time I checked one piece alone sells 60 million copies of manga in Japan alone. So clearly its not the fact that two major markets of manga US and Europe are in economic troubles, nor is it the fact Japan has been in pretty bad shape even before the quake. And for the record I have several hundreds of manga, and 1000s of anime, but I am also a pragmatist. |
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domino
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With Borders gone and the manga section at Barnes & Noble rapidly shrinking, I wonder if there will be any option for American teens to legally buy manga in the United States in 5 years.
I dunno about kids these days, but when I was under 18 I wasn't allowed to buy anything online and had no credit card of my own, so anything I couldn't purchase with cash was out of the question. Not to mention that lack of a physical presence in a bookstore gives manga little visibility to today's youth... |
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Sunday Silence
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Here's an idea: Release your damn works simultaneously!! The day it's out in Japan, it's also out elsewhere around the world.
Scanlators can put out work in as little as 24 hours, ya gotta beat them to the punch!! |
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JDuks
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Manga might be declining for the same reason that printed media is declining in general. It's simply becoming an outdated medium. It's silly to blame the decline of an industry to one specific thing (in this case piracy).
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RekaG{Osaka}
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Strangely they are missing something, the fact that some scanlations are of manga that will never see the western sun in english and they are not making money off of the scans.
The other thing is, out of english print manga that only ebay sellers, hobby shops, thrift stores, local book stores and pawn shops are making money off of. The scans of those are not illegal because no one is making money off of them. Some include Sailor Moon which just was re-published(Hopefully actually translated, printed better.). Yeah they are illegal now, I guess?
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BassKuroi
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The world is changing, this kind of discourse can't and won't be taken seriously anymore. Copyright, as we knew it (and this kind of institutions try to enforce) are under question.
Sharing is not pirating. Amateur translation is not pirating. Pirating is going on a boat and rob, steal and kill, as the primitive accumulation of capital was taken care of. |
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RekaG{Osaka}
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Asterisk-CGY
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Oh look, its the WIPO anti priacy being anti piracy. Like that hasn't happened before. With just as much credibility. Wow.
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Kikaioh
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Wow. There really isn't any justification for breaking an artist's copyright.
 I'm surprised at the comments in this thread so far.
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Mizuki-Takashima
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I haven't read Watchdog's article yet (I figured it'd just be painfully biased anyway) but I think it'd be ignorant for us to ignore the damaging affects of Piracy.
The anime industry was declining as piracy increased (at least I think that's what happened..?) but it's just now starting to get better- partly due to the fact that fans now have legitimate/legal (but still free) ways of watching/streaming anime. Manga? Not so much. Yet. But hopefully publishers will find a way, and fans themselves will become more educated about the industry. To clarify, I'm not saying that Piracy = the soul destroyer of all things manga, it's just that it kind of bothers me when people act like it's not a factor at all...when it's at least a teeny factor in all of this, y'know? Sorry if I offended anyone, I'll go in a corner and be quiet now;;; |
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Sunday Silence
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Um, not quite. Alot of us know that breaking copyright is wrong. The problem is, hitpieces like this seem to gloss over some of the other legitimate reasons as to why the industry is taking a hit, instead just focusing on one aspect and sticking to it. It's like an Army commander saying that his troops need to attack Point X, when it's failing (and causing serious casualties), when Points A and B are being pointed out by his subordinates as ways to circumvent Point X and win the battle. The manga industry is failing not just because of piracy, it's factors from the economy to non-release outside of Japan. |
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DifferentD
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I'm also surprised at the comments..
I don't see how it's possible to defend scantalations from a legal standpoint.. I understand wanting to share something that is older and unlicensed in other countries.. and I can understand to an extent how tempting it may be for a young person with a very limited amount of money (if any) to read their manga through scantalations.. but I don't understand how some people seem to think that they have the right somehow to read/consume what someone else created for free. There are several series that I know I wont be able to buy here in the U.S. and still I refuse to find them illegally. That said.. I think the idea of being able to read some manga online for free while the ads revenue goes to the license holders is a good idea.. Or perhaps being able to read the first volume for free or something.. |
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enurtsol
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No, distribution of those are still illegal, as per current copyright convention. Same with fansubs (that's why it was called the Fansub Code of Ethics - because the illegality was not in question but rather the ethics). Instant worldwide global release of manga may be feasible, if people may be willing to pay the same prices as the Japanese: about 500 yen for each magazine issue + costs for translation and global distribution medium. |
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zaeris
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Although I do believe setting a similar cost of 500 yen isn't intent on considering the difference in each economy. Since the average earning per capital/household/person (lol, what term are people using these day) would be different in each country. Although I may be mistaken if you're trying to use a standardized value per country. Since the value of a Big Mac is not the same in each country but likely relative to its economy/industry. As for other comments I'm going to avoid lol, as long as people acknowledge that piracy is an issue and simple not trying to deter with other factors, privacy has long term implication relating to consumer behaviour which I considering more damaging to an industry. If generation x/y continues being raised in the belief that it is okay to read scanslation.... that is a bigger problem. |
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Ermat_46
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lolMangafox and their rip-off sites are the cancer that is killing both the scanlation community and the manga industry.... /END OF THREAD.
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