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Bingal
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:12 am
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Angel Beats was so emotionally manipulative that I felt annoyed by it rather than sad.
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NickPenrhyn
Joined: 19 Jun 2014
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:14 am
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So Seiji Kishi stopped Jun Maeda from giving the show a bitter ending... wonder how that will square up with the visual novel xD
Also, if Brady stumbled on Angel Beats because he was exploring alphabetically did he then watch Angel Co-
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Shenl742
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:14 pm
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Bingal wrote: | Angel Beats was so emotionally manipulative that I felt annoyed by it rather than sad. |
This pretty much kept me from getting past the first couple episodes myself. The way backstories were being shown really got to me. First there was "Guitar Girl who we barely knew for one episode" unloads her whole backstory and then gets wished into the cornfield.
And there was the main girl's past, with the robbers and the vases and the OH STOP IT'S TOO MUCH! I honestly couldn't help but laugh because it just felt so overblown and overwrought. And all just forced down the viewers fault so matter-of-factly. I just couldn't take it.
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Fronzel
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:41 pm
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Shenl742 wrote: | And there was the main girl's past, with the robbers and the vases and the OH STOP IT'S TOO MUCH! I honestly couldn't help but laugh because it just felt so overblown and overwrought. And all just forced down the viewers fault so matter-of-factly. I just couldn't take it. |
This is just what happened to me. The mysterious nature of the world the characters inhabited kept me going for slightly longer but there was just about one interesting thing per episode and then it became really obvious the place was a kind of purgatory for lingering regrets yet it pussy-footed around like it was still a secret.
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asdqweiop
Joined: 21 Feb 2014
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:44 pm
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loved loved loved the promo. please more.
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:46 pm
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I was cracking up at the promo, especially the Garzey's Wing stuff.
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RadicaLElly
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:23 pm
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Count me in with the folks who think it's overrated, even if the message was well-meaning. It honestly just made me kind of mad, mainly because heart transplants do not work that way.
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Animelover12313
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:19 pm
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I'm just one of those people who can't understand why Angel Beats is considered one of the most tearjerking series of all time. Nothing about it was tearjerking at all! The whole show to me was 12 episodes of comedy and 1 episode of forced feels. And the entire time, I was just questioning about how everything came together.
1. So the main guy died first, how did she get there before he does!?!?!?!?! Like seriously, didn't she get his heart from the heart transplant? Shouldn't that theoretically kept her alive much longer?
2. Why did they fall for each others? They met and talk for like a few seconds of the show! What kind of development was that? They rushed the ending so badly that I couldn't feel connected with the characters at all! At least try to do something like Anohana where I could start to relate to the characters and felt sad when they left or something.
3. TK?
4. So if I understand it correctly, the place they get sent to is where they have any regrets after dying correct? So why was Otonashi there in the first place? He didn't have any regrets when he died. Please don't tell me it's because "Angel" regretted she wasn't able to thank him or something. That just does not makes any sense.
Sorry for the rant, and don't think I hate the show either. I neither love it not hate it but I just think it's overrated for the tearjerking part of the show.
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Razor/Edge
Joined: 05 Jun 2015
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:19 pm
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Angel Beats was one of the first non-shounen anime I watched, so it holds a special place for me. Sure, I know it's flawed and was too short to fully develop the characters and their relationships. But I absolutely loved it, and it made me want to dig further into anime and made me the super fanboy I am today. While it was my top anime for awhile (it's now around 5th or 6th place), I still have fond memories that probably blind me to the complaints others have about the series.
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xzy123
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:33 pm
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the series is overrated but everyone past away with reason is gold
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Megiddo
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:09 pm
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Animelover12313 wrote: |
1. So the main guy died first, how did she get there before he does!?!?!?!?! Like seriously, didn't she get his heart from the heart transplant? Shouldn't that theoretically kept her alive much longer?
4. So if I understand it correctly, the place they get sent to is where they have any regrets after dying correct? So why was Otonashi there in the first place? He didn't have any regrets when he died. Please don't tell me it's because "Angel" regretted she wasn't able to thank him or something. That just does not makes any sense.
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Why do you think that time is a linear concept in the afterlife?
Anyway, the in-series reason is provided by the NPC left by the creator of the AngelPlayer software which Yurippe confronts around 3/4 through the series. Otonashi was a wandering soul/entity/whatever for an undefined time. So in the case of time being linear in the after-life for some reason, the in-series explaination is that after Otonashi died his after-life existence sort of wandered around for awhile. Then he was pulled in to where Tachibana was as a result of her deep regret which had impeded her from reincarnating. Whether this is 'fate' or 'karma' or 'God' or whatever is left up to the viewer to decide.
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:32 pm
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Complete tangent to the ANN cast crew:
If you have any way of contacting the people who created the theme song, could you please ask why it's called "Bucharest"?
I live in Bucharest, and I'm really curious as to why they'd name their song that.
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stilldemented
Joined: 16 May 2015
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:38 pm
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I consider this show to be Maeda's best work mainly because it isn't as encumbered by its self-created, pseudo-mystical universe like in his previous titles. Instead, it borrows from various religious ideologies to construct the world. In so doing, I feel the show is more user-friendly than his previous works. Which, in turn, makes it more engaging to the show's audience.
I appreciate the show as a character study. Ultimately, it's a show about lost souls lashing out against God for being dealt a bad hand. Then overcoming the anger so that they may find salvation.
Long story short. They aren't kicking the puppy for the sake of kicking the puppy. The whole show is built around kicking the puppy. . It's still a melodrama, but at least it isn't beating around the bush about it. The show establishes what it wants to be and sees it through to the end.
If you can accept that, then you'll probably have a good time with Angel Beats.
It goes without saying that the show has its faults. The narrative structure isn't fully realized. Not very cohesive. Needed more elaboration. More world-building. Underutilized characters. Etc. Etc. Etc. I'm not going to make excuses about it.
But I did enjoy the series.
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bemused Bohemian
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:13 pm
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LOL, Zac, loved your high touch comedy routine soft-pedaling Right Stuf. I'm sure Shawne is pleased. Wow, looking forward to more of this in future ANNCasts.
I'm glad TRSI went to the new format. It is far easier now to postpone impulse purchases since I'm not tech-proficient enough to wade thru all the pictures. I preferred deftly interpreting text and then following through with pre-orders. Now I just give up rummaging around TRSI and visit the other sites (RACS, Ami-Ami, BIJ, HLJ et al). It's cool that TRSI stepped up their game re figurines; however, most figurines PO's across the pond don't require pre-payment months in advance. I will give TRSI credit re PO cancellation. That is a choice they offer that the Japanese vendors don't.
As for Angel Beats anime I always felt it needed several more episodes to explain itself. Toward its actual ending I kept deluding myself thinking there was going to be a Season 2. Oh, well.
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dm
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:40 pm
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Angel Beats was okay --- I enjoyed the music of "Girls Dead Monster" (the band). Yes, it was manipulative, but this is Jun Maeda we're talking about, here.
This was touched on incidentally in the podcast, but I remember when the show first came out, lots of people viewed Yuri as something of a rip-off of Haruhi Suzumiya --- charismatic club president (it's even the SDS-dan instead of the SOS-dan), symmetric hair ribbons.
Also, I'm a little surprised there was no mention of another teens-in-Purgatory series, Haibane Renmei.
And, yes, the promo was very good.
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