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NEWS: Funimation Dismisses Its One Piece BitTorrent Lawsuit

alexcampos wrote:

You either download (illegally), or you buy and watch anime legally. YOU CAN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE...

Oh really? Considering 90% of my purchases are from watching fansubs I'd say that you can be.

For example, I watched all of Soul Eater, FullMetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni, Ouran High School Host Club, Kodomo no Omocha, and much much more online via fansubs. Guess what? All those titles are currently sitting on my DVD shelf. And that was all from watching *le gasp* fansubs.

Yup, I have to disagree with you on how you can't be in the middle. If I liked watching it online then I'll buy it. If its crap then I just stop after 2 or 3 episodes.

I also have close to 1,000 Anime DVDs. I buy them quite frequently too. So yes, I can justify me watching fansubs because I do continuously support the industry. I have been for years ever since fansub VHS tapes were being sold/traded around. I now own legit DVD copies of most of the series I watched years ago via fansub tapes because I enjoyed them. If they keep bringing out the shows I like then I will definitely buy them despite having watched them online..

It doesn't matter if you have 1 or 10,000 dvds.

When you download fansubs or watch them on all those sites, you are still participating in an ILLEGAL practice, saying that you will later buy the product does not make it right. You are supporting people who are PIRATES.

That's like me going into Wal-Mart and taking anything I want without buying it, then I tell them that I will later return to purchase the same product on a later date (Probably only if I actually liked the product).

Also, when you watch one of these series, do you watch it before it gets licensed or after???

It honestly doesn't matter, if it's before....then you have no idea if it will truly be licensed.

I'm sorry but, ONE wrong + ONE right =/= Right

@Rukiia

Hmm....you make some very good points, some of which I hadn't thought about.

Regardless, my objective was never to convince you, just like you will never convince me.

I just wanted to point out my opinions, and I'm glad you pointed yours as well.

Based on alexcampos' twisted morality, no one who has ever watched or downloaded a fansub can even overcome the original sin of watching a fansub.

Nayu wrote:

Based on alexcampos' twisted morality, no one who has ever watched or downloaded a fansub can even overcome the original sin of watching a fansub.

What does watching or downloading bootlegs have to do with Funimation's suit?

Funimation was suing people for distributing bootlegs.

(Oh god, you're the idiot who suggested that the Tuxedo Mask vs. Seiya pic was some sort of gay bashing. Editting away my reply as you're not even worth my time.)

KENZICHI wrote:

Sunday Silence wrote: I'm getting feelings of gay-bashing a/or domestic abuse with this pic, not one of humor. Really? You're over thinking it. I got the feeling of "She's MY girl!" type of thing

Or, "why, I oughter ...."

Maybe the fact that it is a pose makes it look more like a shaking-fist type threat than an actual assault caught in mid-strike.

Nayu wrote:

(Oh god, you're the idiot who suggested that the Tuxedo Mask vs. Seiya pic was some sort of gay bashing. Editting away my reply as you're not even worth my time.)

(Oh god, you're the idiot who engages in ad hominem argument as if it were valid but then misremembers who said what)

agila61 wrote:

KENZICHI wrote: Sunday Silence wrote: I'm getting feelings of gay-bashing a/or domestic abuse with this pic, not one of humor. Really? You're over thinking it. I got the feeling of "She's MY girl!" type of thing Or, "why, I oughter ...." Maybe the fact that it is a pose makes it look more like a shaking-fist type threat than an actual assault caught in mid-strike.

Yes, I can see how somebody who does not understand how those quote boxes work could think I was the one who said what Sunday Silence said.

Yes, because asking for a higher quality product is "wanting the best stuff for free!"

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I'm sorry, but Funimation is perfectly within its rights to SUE people who are infringing on licensed works. The fact that the judge DOESN'T understand the nature of BitTorrent still doesn't make the point invalid. The ruling DOES, however, make it much tougher to sue cheaters and thieves. It's a sad state of affairs and shows how little the judicial system really understands what's going on with the Internet. This ruling only empowers thieves.

There was no ruling, Funimation dropped the lawsuit. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Nayu wrote:

Yes, because asking for a higher quality product is "wanting the best stuff for free!"

There is asking for a higher quality product and then there is asking for the impossible and repeating myths. The original post that spawned this mostly fell into the latter.

Until Funimation and the other R1 companies catch up with the times: (eg. using ancient DVD subtitles on digital streaming when ASS is a comparatively better format for digital releases, stream using low resolution 360p when most have high resolution monitors/HDTVs, still can't seem to put translations for the opening and ending themes along with some romaji/karaoke, and continue to dumb down or simplify sentences so the average 13 year old can understand rather than word it as eloquently in English as it is in Japanese) then fans will stick with work done by fans.

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I'm sorry, but Funimation is perfectly within its rights to SUE people who are infringing on licensed works. The fact that the judge DOESN'T understand the nature of BitTorrent still doesn't make the point invalid. The ruling DOES, however, make it much tougher to sue cheaters and thieves. It's a sad state of affairs and shows how little the judicial system really understands what's going on with the Internet. This ruling only empowers thieves.

There was no ruling, Funimation dropped the lawsuit. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

tuxedocat wrote:

alexcampos wrote: Ugh.....Funimation should just GO AWAY!!! Stop buying their DVDs and maybe they'll stop licensing everything out there. Posts like this DO make a difference! It makes people like me just want to buy MORE!!!

I'm glad you can be easily manipulated by a simple opinion...

Go right ahead and WASTE your money, I'm fine with getting free stuff and no I don't care if it hurts the MUTI-MILLION dollar companies.

Funimation is a fail company that does horrible dubs and their products are not worth it.

Maybe in an alternate universe where people actually buy music and movies I would be compelled to buy an anime dvd....but I STILL wouldn't by from crappy funimation.

So basically what your saying is even the seeder did not contribute to the person who is like the 1500th to download, but only the first few? No, it's a cascading effect, its not that you shared with everyone, it's the fact you enabled the sharing to be partaken in by sharing to a few people who share to others. Also it has already been established you are responsible for your network wireless, wired, or if you use a proxy or vpn. The bill payer would be help responsible, and the burden of proof would be on you to prove it wasn't you. Including court appearances, lawyer fee's, court fee's, expert witnesses, forensics teams, etc. Even if you did all that and proved it, they would not have to reimburse you, and you would just be taken out of the case leaving the other 1027 people to sue. lets not forget anything on your computer, storage media, logs etc would be searched by the prosecution and if they did find any pirated material as evidence that you do participate in piracy and that it would raise the likely hood that you did in fact download it and cast doubt on your own case.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/04/child-porn-case-shows-that-an-open-wifi-network-is-no-defense.ars

maylo wrote:

So basically what your saying is even the seeder did not contribute to the person who is like the 1500th to download, but only the first few? No, it's a cascading effect, its not that you shared with everyone, it's the fact you enabled the sharing to be partaken in by sharing to a few people who share to others. Also it has already been established you are responsible for your network wireless, wired, or if you use a proxy or vpn. The bill payer would be help responsible, and the burden of proof would be on you to prove it wasn't you. Including court appearances, lawyer fee's, court fee's, expert witnesses, forensics teams, etc. Even if you did all that and proved it, they would not have to reimburse you, and you would just be taken out of the case leaving the other 1027 people to sue. lets not forget anything on your computer, storage media, logs etc would be searched by the prosecution and if they did find any pirated material as evidence that you do participate in piracy and that it would raise the likely hood that you did in fact download it and cast doubt on your own case. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/04/child-porn-case-shows-that-an-open-wifi-network-is-no-defense.ars

Over all it is a cascading effect but FUNi would have to increase the time scale and prove it. It is possible to prove but not within the time scale and FUNi at this time can't prove that the result of exchanging parts of these files directly or indirectly with my example, even with all the people that FUNi wanted to bring the case against otherwise the court would have not told FUNi that they can only file in this case individually.

Regardless of where the IP address is tracked to this doesn't mean that the bill payer is in anyway in knowage of a crime being commit through a third party person, even if you give permission for someone to connect to your Internet connection to check there e-mails doesn't mean you gave permission to download illegally. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/court-confirms-ip-addresses-arent-people-and-p2p-lawyers-know-it.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

I know the law in the US is different in the way you look at people tired for crimes but some prove is still required to be produced by FUNi before they can bring the case they want to court.