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Ausdoerrt
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Meh, not really arguing to win, was just having a looong argument on another forum, and wondered what people here thought. It's fine if you don't want to go into details though.
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MaxSouth
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"ugly" and "bad" is subjective, but lower than normal and a-harmonic, disproportional -- objective... there is nothing can be done about that, it is fact, which will not change no matter if how to describe it...
sorry, but it is funny to read that this is stereotypic since Usagi Drop's very own mangaka portrays traditional family reactions accurately, with no weird face expressions... and she is not stereotyping...
this public display of emotions and reaction about mundane things are indeed more bright among Japanese people (i know quite a number of them personally, not via internet) than among others, but in family, private matters Usagi Drop's mangaka (Yumi Unita) portrays reactions in the family meeting quite correctly... people in Japan in these matters are more constrained, they do not make weird faces usually... and not the more so in such kind of meetings... she does not stereotype anything... |
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iatheia
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Sorry to get into this, but, wow. You do realize that we are talking about anime? Or is it normal to have eyes that are half your face, legs that are as long as both of your arms combined? It looks different. It looks unusual. In that setting it works.
...? And you have interacted with Japanese people a lot, then? They aren't some robots, you know. Just a bit, a bit more reserved. Not to mention a family in mourning. And it is my understanding that he is younger than everyone else, not counting the children. And I don't remember seeing anything "outside the norm" except for his little outburst that he is adopting her. And besides, people are different. One person has a right to be different from another, even if they are Japanese. Some values are different from one family to another. Relationships between people *gasp* can be different. |
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DJStarstryker
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Has anyone here watched episode 2 of The Idolm@ster yet?
I didn't get a chance to post last week, but I do wonder if part of the reason it's getting little interest from a lot of people here is because it seems to be catering to fans of the game. Since this game series is Japanese only, and especially since this anime is focusing on The Idolm@ster 2, which is Japanese/Asian Xbox 360 only, almost nobody here has played it. The enjoyment I get out of this show is being able to see these girls interact with each other a lot more than you see them do in the game. In each episode, you see ALL of the girls to varying degrees. In the game, you mostly just see whichever girls are in your group. If you've played the game, you know all of the songs and it's interesting to see where they fit them into the episodes. The girls are all very true to character and so it's hilarious to see them interact. In episode 2, Iori, Ami, Mami, and Yayoi trying to dress up for the photoshoots was utterly hilarious, but more so if you know the characters from the game. Anyone who has played the first game has heard Ami/Mami's ridiculous "sexy pose" line during the posing lesson and so their dressing up fell into that same ridiculousness. If you haven't played the games, this anime probably feels like a goofy, "day in the life of an idol" sort of show. And, honestly, that might be a bit boring. |
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MaxSouth
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do you honestly not understand? i am talking about proportions and harmony, which are still very well realistic in anime/manga character design, and not off the wall... even if the eyes are huge, they are not misplaced/displaced... what character design in Usagi Drop, House of Five Leaves, Kekkaishi and Aoi no Exorcist is, however, is disporpotional, aharmonic, "originality for the sake of originality"... Character design style that actually created with talent, does not go into intentionally crippling characters...
he is thirty year old... how come this "younger" argument relates to this? Is not this called "grasping at straws"?... as to main hero's facial expressions, you might want to re-watch the first episode... people are different... however, what i was pointing out is that this specific character's behaviour does not fit into preamble/setting of the project... he is supposed to be average single thirty year old man working on average job with average smoking habit... there are countless of such people in Japan (and elsewhere)... but all of sudden he is shown expressing weird facial expressions... this is not artistically consistent to the premise... but, again, this is minor issue.. |
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Sewingrose
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Wow, you're going on about harmony enough, I expect you to be moonlighting as a feng shui guru. Now, cartoons and animation live on over exaggeration of features. Some people don't like certain styles and ways they go about doing it, like Clamp and their atomically confusing noodle people, or Shojo series with their scary giant eyes, or the Simpsons with everyone having an overbite. Guess what: You don't have to like most, some, or even any of those styles. Your pejorative. But stop pretending that Usagi Drop and all the other shows you mentioned are anything special. They use exaggeration in ways and create designs you don't like. Fine. You don't like the style. But they are not some great offender of some artistic laws, they are legitimate stylization choices, and for many people they look just fine. Also and admittedly rather nitpicky: can you stop... typing with no real... endings or beginnings... of sentences... you just trail off...and don't capitalize... and it's kinda... annoying... and hard to get your... point... |
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leafy sea dragon
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When I saw the discussion about mouths being too low on their heads, I immediately thought of the Klasky-Csupo works of the late 90s and early 00s (such as The Wild Thornberrys and As Told By Ginger), where everybody's mouths were on their chins. It felt a little strange at first, but I got used to them.
I don't think there is a consensus, objective idea of what "harmonic" ought to be either. Every artist has his or her idea of what they feel would look best. Heck, some artists eschew harmony outright and just make purposefully grotesque character designs, like Ralph Bakshi and John Kricfalusi. |
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MaxSouth
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"stop pretending" you did not read the part where i explained how disproportional (not about size, obviously), displaced/misplaced character design features have nothing to do with stylistic exaggerations like huge "anime eyes", etc... i can draw nose as a mere point, but if it placed in the place, it can be called "style" (though not new, of course)... but if i place such nose (or any other drawn shape of nose) between eyebrows, then this is "originality for the sake of originality"... or i can draw eyes which could be huge, and it is a style... but if i put these eyes on the forehead, then it is "originality for the sake of originality"... the same is with cut-off noses in Kekkaishi and Aoi no Exorcist, or mouth painted at the bottom of the chin like in Usagi Drop or, more severely, in House of Five Leaves...
this is totally off... i complete my sentences, so there is no problem with getting my point... |
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Ausdoerrt
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Anyone who tries to argue objectivity in art automatically fails. Period.
Your argument about "harmony" fails too. You choose to call it "too far down" so it's not harmonious. I choose to call it "stylistically exaggerated upper lip" which makes it similar to big CLAMP eyes. If anything, characters in Five Leaves simply had unnaturally big mouths (for anime anyway), if you think about it. On a similar note, I've seen people criticize CLAMP as unnatural because of weird eye spacing. Methinks, you're grasping at straws, here. |
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Anymouse
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ArsenicSteel
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If the posts on the last few pages of this article are representative of typical art argument then it is not debatable the fail is clear. |
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Ausdoerrt
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Thank you. *tips hat*
Anyhow, there are certain objective qualities that can be discussed (still with a subjective bias), but once one gets into artistic expression objectivity doesn't exist. |
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Spastic Minnow
Bargain Hunter
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I always find it interesting how these Preview Guide's just sort of fade away without an announced end. I had thought someone would have wanted to review a couple more 2nd episodes, like the time-skipped 2nd episode of No. 6
anyway, I wanted to mention to those that may have not noticed that I'm attempting to create a season "master thread" to continue the discussion of the season as a whole in the General: Anime section. A good place to list impressions of multiple series at once or discuss the shows that don't quite rate a dedicated talkback of their own. the title will change as the season progresses, through the first 4-5 weeks it's called Summer Season 2011: First Impressions |
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