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mgosdin
Posts: 1302 Location: Kissimmee, Florida, USA |
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Yes the film was successful at the Box Office, no question. How much of that money made it's way back to the studio and into the hands of Ghibli's accounting minions, so it could offset the unknown production costs, well that's another thing. Sure it could all be sour grapes, or pickled plums in this case, but it is maybe worthwhile to give some thought to how tricky it is for anyone in the US or Japan to make a living producing quality entertainment. Oh, and how lucky we are that people are willing to try. Mark Gosdin |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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If I were to guess, it would be due to the way distributors account for "loss". A very recognized example of this is in budget for advertising the movie, when the costs somehow explode beyond the movie's production cost. |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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Hear! Hear! AFAIK Ghibli Studios is the only only one that still does animation without using computers AND they do not outsoruce to korea or china, so you can't compare their production costs with those of modern studios. |
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HeeroTX
Posts: 2046 Location: Austin, TX |
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From Masuda's quote: "there is a possibility that its 2011 film From Up On Poppy Hill may not have recouped its production costs." Bottom line: if a studio can't make back their costs when they are the TOP grossing film domestically (in 2011, it was the #4 overall movie in Japan, #1-3 were all Hollywood films) then frankly, they shouldn't make movies FOR Japan anymore. And I don't say that because I want that to happen, I say that because I can't believe it is the case. edit:
According to Variety: http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=review&reviewid=VE1117917040&categoryid=31&cs=1 "Spirited Away" had $19mil in "production costs", Granted, that was 10 years prior and inflation is a factor since then; HOWEVER, "Spirited Away" was also directed by the elder Miyazaki, so I'd call inflation a wash unless they allowed Goro more free reign than his father. Let's call it production cost of $20mil. (it's also worth noting that "Spirited Away" had a 125 min run time, "From Up on Poppy Hill" only ran for 91 min, ie. over 30mins LESS of animation) So we're supposed to accept that gross proceeds didn't meet cost when cost was less than 40% of gross? That's pretty bad planning then. |
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Polycell
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If I recall correctly, most high-cost flops spend a lot(most?) of their money on things that never make it into the final cut(ie, retakes, complete overhauls and the others costs of living in development hell), so it could be there's some extraordinary cost he knows of.
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dragon695
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Someone has already quoted the production costs for Spirited Away. I would very much doubt that Goro would be permitted to spend more than that given how badly his last project flopped. Even if he were, I simply cannot conceive that their production costs would be over 50 million or even 30 million. And as was pointed out, the statement was on production costs alone, not other costs. As for the no computers, that's a common misconception. The last Ghibli film not to use computer animation was Princess Mononoke. |
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Ryo Hazuki
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Actually Princess Mononoke has some pretty noticeable -but not distracting- shots with CGI backgrounds. I don't remember any noticeable CGI shots from Ponyo or Arrietty. |
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dragon695
Posts: 1377 Location: Clemson, SC |
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Well I recall this question raised in some answerman column, and as far as I can recall this was the answer to it. At the very least, everything is drawn and inked digitally. |
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Ryo Hazuki
Posts: 363 Location: Finland |
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From what I remember, the un-finished animation is still drawn on paper before scanning in most anime movies. Disney has used computers for coloring at least since Rescuers Down Under, but that's not the same as CGI. |
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andyos
ANN Associate Editor
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A pedantic point re an earlier post; Tales from Earthsea was critically panned, but it didn't 'flop.' According to Box Office Mojo, it earned nearly $70 million.
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bravetailor
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To date, Steamboy and Princess Mononoke seems to still be the most expensive anime movies ever made, both at around $20 million in U.S. dollars. Unless Ghibli has gone over that and not telling (considering the lack of spectacle and effects in Poppy Hill, I doubt it), then by making around $53 million, it should have more than made up for the budget. I'd peg most Ghibli films to be around $10-15 million in budget.
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Banden
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What's up with all the low-ball guessing at Ghibli budgets? You guys know this information for all their recent films is documented on Wikipedia right? At $19 million, Spirited Away appears to be cheapest Studio Ghibli release of the last 15 years or so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli#Feature_films |
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bravetailor
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Okay, I stand corrected.
There's no way Poppy Hill is more expensive to make than Howl's or Earthsea though. |
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GATSU
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Heero:
Well, they were gonna close up shop after Arrietty...I'd be ok with that, TBH. They got nothing left to prove at this point. Though it would be nice for them to stop taking away creative control of projects from Takahata, and let him do one more movie already.
You have to take into account prints and advertising. Budget is only part of the equation. andyos:
But that just was because of the Miyazaki name. Goro didn't exactly save them the second time around, though. Of course, the costs for Earthsea might be higher than the usual Ghibli film, because they had to pay royalties to LeGuin. |
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enurtsol
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Wonder how much of the $50+ million gross that Ghibli gets to take home..................
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