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NEWS: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Has Manga in the Works


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Vylash



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:18 pm Reply with quote
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Infantilization for the sake of fetishism is sexist.
I'd like to thank you for providing me with the greatest quote that has ever been posted on the internet, that is all, carry on
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I should also point out that cheap cash-in manga are incredibly common. Tons of LNs and anime have them, and with a few exceptions they range from mediocre to truly terrible.


I wasn't going to comment in this thread MLP is based on nostalgia or for the older MLP it is. I actually did watch the original cartoon some growing up. So if decide to jump on this band-wagon it would be based fond memories of my youth.
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Infantilization for the sake of fetishism is sexist. Sexism is defined as "Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." So...it does cover a bit more ground than you claim. On top of that, sexism is a two-way street. Men can be the victims of sexist portrayals and women can be sexist. As I said before, a lot of women do enjoy sexist fiction (50 Shades; Twilight) without even recognizing it as such. Moe is aimed at men who are intimidated by strong women to the point that they seek an artifice easier to handle than real women.

....Im sorry but i lost brain cells reading this.
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Oooh, this magazine sounds like a perfect fit for My Little Pony; I can see it fitting right in with stuff like Jewelpet and Tamagotchi and other cute quirky money-grubbin' brands! I wanna see how cute and pretty and sparkly they can make this. *v* Bet the kids who buy Pucchigumi will love it!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:26 pm Reply with quote
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Fencedude5609 wrote:
I should also point out that cheap cash-in manga are incredibly common. Tons of LNs and anime have them, and with a few exceptions they range from mediocre to truly terrible.


I wasn't going to comment in this thread MLP is based on nostalgia or for the older MLP it is. I actually did watch the original cartoon some growing up. So if decide to jump on this band-wagon it would be based fond memories of my youth.


The hell does that have to do with what I said?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:29 pm Reply with quote
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Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
Fencedude5609 wrote:
I should also point out that cheap cash-in manga are incredibly common. Tons of LNs and anime have them, and with a few exceptions they range from mediocre to truly terrible.


I wasn't going to comment in this thread MLP is based on nostalgia or for the older MLP it is. I actually did watch the original cartoon some growing up. So if decide to jump on this band-wagon it would be based fond memories of my youth.


The hell does that have to do with what I said?


You said that the series is cheap cash-in much like mediocre to terrible light novels are. That's not the case for older fans for MLP, it's solely nostalgia which is completely different ball game.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:55 pm Reply with quote
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Well, fans are fans. You'll have overzelous fans in just about every fandom.

I honestly don't have a problem with MLP existing and never said I did. I never said I "hated" any of ya, and never criticized the show myself. However, I just think some of the "Bronies" should try to calm down a bit. They are really acting like some of the extreme Anime fans that were a decade ago by shoving their fandom down in other people's throats. Above all, I don't see why "Bronies" should get any more leeway than "Japanophiles." Sure they are some amongst both who are nice people and keep it too themselves but damn.

Remember that "Bronies: The Extremely Unexpected Adult Fans of My Little Pony" they made? I honestly fail to see a good reason why it was created, why its somehow a "good" thing and why we ought to learn about the "Fandom." I'd rather learn about the "production qualities" of the show than the fans themselves.

I liken the Brony documentary to "America's Greatest Otaku." They both show us their "fans" and try to give us a reason to accept them. I think that's a really bad strategy if you Bronies seek "acceptance." There's a better way to do so: just keep it to yourself and you're good to go. Only introduce your favorite series when someone's willing to hear it(or are "open-minded" to do so).


I never said or meant to imply that those overzealous Bronies should be given any more leeway than the extreme Japanophiles. They can both be insufferable, and this is as a fan of both MLP and anime/manga. However the actions of the fanbase, particularly the extreme zealots that make them all look bad, doesn't really reflect on what they're a fan of though. The eye-rolling some people do when MLP is referenced is a bit unfair considering a great deal of it is because they dislike those extreme fans rather than because of anything about the show itself.

I'm also only vaguely aware of that documentary and haven't seen it, and honestly have no desire to see it. I can see how it might be interesting to a psychology or marketing class or something, but I honestly couldn't care less to view a documentary on the making of a fandom, regardless of whether I'm a fan of it as well or not. Also, it's a bit of a poor choice of words to keep saying "you Bronies" as if we're some hive mind. I had nothing to do with the documentary, I don't care about it, nor do I care about "acceptance" just because I happen to like a TV show. I know a number of fans of the show, and absolutely none of them fit in with the "you Bronies" you're referring to. It's a diverse fanbase, not some magical collective we all become a part of.

Besides, I do generally keep it to myself. I might crack a joke that another fan of the show might get on occassion, but I don't run around trying to spread the word or anything. I don't hide that I watch it, but I don't really broadcast it either. It's just a show that I occasionally watch and enjoy, that's it. The reality is for the vast majority of the MLP fanbase, that is really all it is. The zealots might be vocal and loud and noticeable, but in the end they're just a small part of a larger fanbase; a fanbase where many probably dislike them just as much or more as the rest of the people out there.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:51 pm Reply with quote
I personally think this is the best thing to happen to MLP recently, at least merchandise-wise. Finally some high quality stuff. Looking forward to the manga, too. Wonder if I should wait for the books or subscribe to the magazine... not that I could understand it :p
Oh, and the box sets... looking forward to those, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:21 am Reply with quote
Note, I've never seen much of the show, but I've seen some of the fan works. I'm sure I'd probably like it.

Here's a fact though: Every episode of MLP has been fansubbed INTO Japanese very quickly after airing on TV.
All those illegal subbed episodes have been uploaded to niconico douga and have thousands of views and comments.
This also happens with South Park, but not with pretty much any other western cartoon (there are fansubs, but not nearly as "real time").
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:00 pm Reply with quote
Vylash wrote:
zeo1fan wrote:


Infantilization for the sake of fetishism is sexist.
I'd like to thank you for providing me with the greatest quote that has ever been posted on the internet, that is all, carry on


Quite welcome. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:03 pm Reply with quote
opn wrote:
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Infantilization for the sake of fetishism is sexist. Sexism is defined as "Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." So...it does cover a bit more ground than you claim. On top of that, sexism is a two-way street. Men can be the victims of sexist portrayals and women can be sexist. As I said before, a lot of women do enjoy sexist fiction (50 Shades; Twilight) without even recognizing it as such. Moe is aimed at men who are intimidated by strong women to the point that they seek an artifice easier to handle than real women.

....Im sorry but i lost brain cells reading this.


Thank you for sharing such a clear, elaborate rebuttal. Your lost brain cells must be the cause of your spelling and punctuation errors.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:22 pm Reply with quote
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Thank you for sharing such a clear, elaborate rebuttal. Your lost brain cells must be the cause of your spelling and punctuation errors.


You never responded to my question.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:17 pm Reply with quote
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Other then tragic deaths you'll find those things in MLP as well if you watch more of it.


Could you cite some episodes or examples or somethin? I guess I just watched the wrong ones but the ones I saw had anything remotely in league with other kids anime. x_x I tried YouTube and all I really found was this clip which didn't impress me at all

My Little Pony Fight Scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZIlKxePCJw

meanwhile

PreCure has Fight Scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsEVTyVWzus

x_x sorry but I still don't see how it's like magical girl anime or why you and Soundmonkey call people hypocrites if they can like the second one but not the first. They're waaay different styles and I can so see why anime fans would prefer the second more but not care for the first. it's such a bad comparison to make they're not very similar at all aside from being for little girls.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:40 pm Reply with quote
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zeo1fan wrote:

'Mature' and 'Down-To-Earth'? Clannad billabongs between manipulatively fetishized innocence and tragedy porn without any of the narrative structure of a tragedy to justify such. It's heavily Pathos over Logos (though it does have Ethos with regards to how to make a Moe series attractive to the people who'd enjoy it, dirty or no). Let's not pretend like Key is Takako Shimura here. CLANNAD is aimed at the type of anime fan who's squeamish about women to the point that they bury themselves in dating sims and tissue boxes to avoid feeling 'unclean'.


A) You are looking for the term "ping-pongs"

B) Please elucidate on Clannad's use of Pathos, Logos and Ethos. Truly, I feel you are an expert on this topic.


It appears as though I used my terminology incorrectly. I wish I'd used a different term. Forgive me. I didn't see this question (there have been a lot of long comments here and yours was relatively shorter). So let's start with ethos then. Key and KyoAni both have expansive ethos (Authority) when it comes to writing Moe stories. The clean, fluid animation; the extra attention to detail where most studios cut corners. The beautiful music and backgrounds don't hurt either. These details tie into the pathos (Emotion) of their series. As I mentioned before, Moe (being aimed at an insecure male audience) has the job of helping the audience fall in love with their characters. In the literal sense (or as close to the literal sense as one can get). So, a series of this ilk (game or anime) tends to present each of its characters as being innocent in some way and then pouring tragedy unto them, often with the protagonist (usually male) saving them from these troubles and falling in love with them (more often in anime adaptations, the protagonist is given a different motive for the extra savings as he couldn't wind up with every girl). One of the prime examples of fetishized innocence in CLANNAD is Nagisa; a pure, clean, sickly girl with no chance of intimidating any member of the male audience who, by being protected, makes the audience feel vicariously strong. Very rarely do women in Moe get to show strength without some kind of softening element. It's an extensive web.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:35 pm Reply with quote
Crispy45 wrote:
Fabe wrote:
Other then tragic deaths you'll find those things in MLP as well if you watch more of it.


Could you cite some episodes or examples or somethin? I guess I just watched the wrong ones but the ones I saw had anything remotely in league with other kids anime. x_x I tried YouTube and all I really found was this clip which didn't impress me at all

My Little Pony Fight Scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZIlKxePCJw

meanwhile

PreCure has Fight Scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsEVTyVWzus

x_x sorry but I still don't see how it's like magical girl anime or why you and Soundmonkey call people hypocrites if they can like the second one but not the first. They're waaay different styles and I can so see why anime fans would prefer the second more but not care for the first. it's such a bad comparison to make they're not very similar at all aside from being for little girls.


Of course that ending sentence isn't completely accurate as there are Magical Girl Series for Teenage Girls, Women, Teenage Boys, and Men. It's rather interesting to me that shows aimed at little boys are often described as being for 'children' in general, whereas magical girl series are referred to as being for 'little girls', immediately dismissing the idea that little boys might enjoy magical girl anime. Odd, isn't it?
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