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garry
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:45 pm
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Gotta love those Japanese style releases. At least we get it at a better price than they do over there.
I think the Giant Robo comparison is dead-on. My money's on the final volume hitting the streets sometime in the mid 10's (depending on Hirano's work ethic...)
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hikaru004
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:04 pm
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Dargonxtc wrote: | Well I am kinda disappointed, but the reason they give makes enough sense. I would not want to wait 2 years before volumes, so I pretty much buy the story.
I am hoping the limited edition case will be like Halo 2 (limited)Metal case, not thick enough to dent easily, but looks hella cool with art on it. |
I'm hoping for a metal case too. I so loved my Appleseed and GitS 2:Innocence (International version) metal cases.
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Zac
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:12 pm
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garry wrote: | (depending on Hirano's work ethic...) |
It doesn't really have anything to do with Hirano's work ethic; I interviewed Ueda (the guy producing the OVAs) at Otakon and he seemed pretty exhasperated at the production schedule and how ridiculously busy the anime studios are right now; he articulated that anime studios are used to developin 24-minute episodes, and producing these OVAs at 40-50 minutes each with an increased animation budget is a big, big effort. In fact, he had intended on working on other projects in the meantime, but Hellsing is basically his life right now.
There is a tremendous amount of work going into this thing, and it's taking longer than anyone expected. The blame for delays can't really fall on any one person; it's just a colossal effort.
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JoshuaStChristopher
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:19 pm
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garry wrote: | I think the Giant Robo comparison is dead-on. My money's on the final volume hitting the streets sometime in the mid 10's (depending on Hirano's work ethic...) |
But, hey, it sure was worth it. The last episode of Giant Robo was fantastic (despite having a shaky start, the entire series was). I thought the first Hellsing Ultimate OVA episode was pretty cool. I'll definitely be getting the DVD.
That being said, I don't mind waiting if the end-product is worth the wait. To continue with the GR comparison, it was worth the wait, because the creators really delivered an amazing product. If this Hellsing ends up like the last anime, well, let's hope not. Then again, Giant Robo didn't have a manga to follow. Luckily, what, 8 volumes of Hellsing are out? At least they have a head start.
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tlsmith1963
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:50 pm
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I've seen the first ep of Hellsing Ultimate, & it is amazing! The animation in the original was good, but this is even better. You are in for a real treat if you haven't seen it yet. I've only seen the subbed version, but if the English-language cast is returning for the dub, that should be good too. Hellsing & Cowboy Bebop have the best dubs, imo.
Tammy
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InuyashaMilk1717
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:24 pm
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This is good news!!! If they stuff two OVAs on one DVD, while the original Japanese release was just one OVA a DVD. We will miss out on stuff, like a whole DVD with it's precious inserts and booklets and cover art and extras.
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joel_s95387
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:30 am
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InuyashaMilk1717 wrote: | This is good news!!! If they stuff two OVAs on one DVD, while the original Japanese release was just one OVA a DVD. We will miss out on stuff, like a whole DVD with it's precious inserts and booklets and cover art and extras. |
Well I think we are all overlooking the fact that [they] didn't announce a price change. Same price for 1 less episode than they had originally planned? Getting it to the fans quicker is a bunch of bull. They just want to make more money.
Yet I'm still going to end up buying this release...
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LordRobin
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:34 am
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I must be the only Hellsing fan who's going to pass on this. I saw the first OVA at Anime Expo, and the one word I would use to describe it would be "rushed". It essentially followed the same plots of at least four episodes of the TV series, crammed into half the time. The only real appeal, as far as I could see, was the teaser appearance of the main villain from the manga.
I want to see the rest of the manga characters as well, but I'd like to see them in a real story, not something that plays like it's on fast-forward. I would have preferred a second 13-episode TV series, continuing from where the original broke with the manga.
------RM
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Zim Zum
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:21 am
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LordRobin wrote: | I must be the only Hellsing fan who's going to pass on this. I saw the first OVA at Anime Expo, and the one word I would use to describe it would be "rushed". |
No I agree with you on that one, I think they're getting it all out of the way so they can focus on doing more stuff from the manga which didn't appear in the original TV series. So hopefully in theenxt episode we will see a significant change in the pacing of the story.
As for the news on the DVD release, I ahve to say that I'm dissapointed, not that it really affects me since live in the UK so I have no idea when we will see it over in here, always import I guess. Still they should drop the price of the DVD if they're only going to put one episode on it, it would be a pretty unpopular move if it is priced disproportionately high in respect to the length of the content on the disc.
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Nagisa
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:59 am
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LordRobin wrote: | I want to see the rest of the manga characters as well, but I'd like to see them in a real story, not something that plays like it's on fast-forward. I would have preferred a second 13-episode TV series, continuing from where the original broke with the manga. |
Here's the thing people forget: Hellsing Ultimate's focus is chiefly on the Millennium Arc of the manga. The first volume and a half of said manga have next to nothing to do with Millennium at all, and have already been animated, so for Ultimate they're simply being glossed over and demoted to mere character introduction, and then once Millennium kicks in and we get to new material, the OVA will very likely slow its pacing and delve further into the story.
So yea, they're quickly going back over their tracks now, but that doesn't mean they'll keep rushing once they get to the parts of the series that are actually relevant.
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InuyashaMilk1717
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:50 am
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Quote: | I must be the only Hellsing fan who's going to pass on this. I saw the first OVA at Anime Expo, and the one word I would use to describe it would be "rushed". It essentially followed the same plots of at least four episodes of the TV series, crammed into half the time. The only real appeal, as far as I could see, was the teaser appearance of the main villain from the manga.
I want to see the rest of the manga characters as well, but I'd like to see them in a real story, not something that plays like it's on fast-forward. I would have preferred a second 13-episode TV series, continuing from where the original broke with the manga.
------RM |
The first episode is just an introduction, it doesn't need to be slow.
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Kouji
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:23 am
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I don't mind having only one episode of Hellsing being on the first DVD when the first episode is 50 minutes. It's not any different from buying a 60 min. anime movie on DVD for $30 which isn't all that uncommon. Just look at Geneon's original releases of the Sailor Moon movies. I seriously doubt this is going to piss off casual fans much. I mean, come on, Geneon released the DBZ Deadzone movie on DVD for $30 and that movie was only 30 min. long and it didn't stop casual fans from buying it. I am a little worried about episode two only being 40 min. long but maybe Geneon will drop the price a bit for volume two or hopefully they'll at least have a lot of extras on it to make up for the lack of length. Just be grateful that you only have to pay $30 for the DVD and you don't have to pay as much as the Japanese do. I wonder how many Japanese Hellsing fans are going to import the R1 DVDs now. But the biggest concern I have about Geneon's release of Hellsing Ultimate is are they going to actually get Alucard's name right this time? It's ALucard Geneon, not ARucard.
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ZeroRyoko1974
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:19 am
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I like Hellsing and all, but I wouldn't buy it for any more then 20 bucks, prefereably cheaper. Figuring most anime tv series are about 25min, and figure a 3-4 episode dvd is about 25-30 bucks, or about 8-10 dollars for a 3 episode disc, and 6-8 dollars for a 4 episode disc. 25 would be kind of high, working out to aprox 12.50 an "episode" and 30 is to much per episode.
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kushiel
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:32 am
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Have I stepped into a timewarp back to 1999? 50 minutes per volume for premium price? I understand it's an OVA and this will be Geneon's only source of profit on it, but holy hell. I finally understand why casual fans only watch friggin' Naruto and Inuyasha. Usually direct-to-video releases in NA are the crappy stuff that couldn't get into theaters, not the cream of the crop!
Geneon will never make back their investment. The only people that will buy these discs at release for full price are established Hellsing fans. The OVA format does not work in America..
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Steventheeunuch
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:43 am
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kushiel wrote: |
Geneon will never make back their investment. The only people that will buy these discs at release for full price are established Hellsing fans. The OVA format does not work in America.. |
It might not work as well as the Japanese market, where the Anime market is a bit more involved, but it will still gain a lot of sales. Giant Robo survived in this sort of circumstance and it would've had less legs to stand on than Hellsing, an already established franchise. I think they've already taken in to account that not every fan will be in on this, but the more sales generated from the US, the better chance that there'll be more programming animated in Japan with the US Otaku market in mind (though whether this is a good or bad thing, I dont know).
Stop worrying about Geneon's investment/release. They're perfectly capable of working out what works best for themselves, they've been in the business for a long time as it is.
Quote: | I like Hellsing and all, but I wouldn't buy it for any more then 20 bucks, prefereably cheaper. Figuring most anime tv series are about 25min, and figure a 3-4 episode dvd is about 25-30 bucks, or about 8-10 dollars for a 3 episode disc, and 6-8 dollars for a 4 episode disc. 25 would be kind of high, working out to aprox 12.50 an "episode" and 30 is to much per episode. |
As it's been said, since this is an OVA and not a TV series, and is still in production, it follows different guidelines (IE it doesnt follow any). They have a more compressed budget than a TV series would, so lets say 5 episodes of 'insert TV anime here' cost a bullshit figure like 70,000. a 50 minute OVA would use that 70,000 for that 50 minutes alone. Hence why they'd charge as much.
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