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INTEREST: Ken Akamatsu Bemoans Britain's Child Pornography Sentencing


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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:24 pm Reply with quote
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You sick bastard, you should rot in hell. Laughing Wink

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taster of pork



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:37 pm Reply with quote
Someone should take that picture to the British police and see what they do. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:13 pm Reply with quote
MidoriUma wrote:
As an anime fan, though, I DO support these laws, because frankly I'm sick of the general public thinking anime = "perverted drawings" or other disgusting things.

-Madoka- wrote:
I see not why people care for public acceptance/image, 90% of the UK don't know what anime is, and the ones who can "identify" anime only think stuff like Pokemon or Naruto.
I don't care if they think i watch that or the handful who think it's perverted crap think im watching porn i still don't care, i like what i do, don't give a damn what others think... especially them who have no knowledge of anything.
I'm pretty sure the "Anime? All them Chinese cartoons are either Pokemons or pornos!" stereotype will persist forever, even if all characters under the age of 35 get purged from the porn side of the spectrum. Thoughtcrime laws like the one being applied here aren't going to change that.
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Ali07



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:19 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Australia's freedom of speech.

There's nothing that sets any freedom of speech in stone in Australia in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights. For some reason, people seem to believe that we have freedom of speech here. There is limited (political speech) protection, but it's a complicated matter.

Also, I had no idea that polls were in favour of internet filtering in Australia. Guess that news just passed me by.

relyat08 wrote:
Seriously though, it's sad how much this mirrors the world in all of those post-apocalyptic/end-of-times stories that we've all heard over and over.

Laughing We're getting closer and closer. One step at a time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:26 pm Reply with quote
Quoting what I said in the last thread for its relevance to this thread:

Juno016 wrote:
There are perfectly normal people who have a positive coexistence with society and don't intend to harm anyone, including minors, who enjoy the stuff. Some of whom cannot control where their sexual impulses are directed. Others of whom are not even that interested in real minors, but like the artistic representation of things that cannot/should not happen in real life, including sexual illustrations of minors. And even others who might feel attracted to real minors, but are mature enough to recognize the fault in that line of thought and, instead, decide to take their impulses out on fictional material. There are human impulses behind these things, too, you know.

You don't have to agree with their personal hobbies, but fearing these people as some sort of sexual predator does society no justice at all. It's ignorant of nature, life, and reality.

Unless, of course, you want to have YOUR Psycho-Pass evaluated every time you walk/drive through any public checkpoint.


I just don't get why people think of other people like this as "sickos". The word carries no weight and is just a blind insult. So what if someone else is interested in something seemingly unsanitary? As long as they're either taking the extra steps to stay healthy OR they're not taking the extra steps to harm someone else, their unsanitary actions are their rights to perform. If we don't strictly talk about the rights under existing laws, it is widely accepted that the rightful freedoms of humans extend until they either restrict someone else's ability to perform those freedoms or they harm someone else entirely. Beyond that, a person's actions are free for them to perform at any given time.
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yu3lora



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:34 pm Reply with quote
MidoriUma wrote:
Whatever. I most certainly will not be losing a wink of sleep over the fate of some perverts who get their rocks off drawing naked children.

As an anime fan, though, I DO support these laws, because frankly I'm sick of the general public thinking anime = "perverted drawings" or other disgusting things.


I agree with yah.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:43 pm Reply with quote
Ali07 wrote:
mdo7 wrote:
Australia's freedom of speech.

There's nothing that sets any freedom of speech in stone in Australia in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights. For some reason, people seem to believe that we have freedom of speech here. There is limited (political speech) protection, but it's a complicated matter.

Also, I had no idea that polls were in favour of internet filtering in Australia. Guess that news just passed me by.


Could you explain that to me maybe over the PM, I like to learn more about the land down under's freedom of speech? Also I don't think Australians don't seem to understand the real meaning of freedom of speech.

yu3lora wrote:
MidoriUma wrote:
Whatever. I most certainly will not be losing a wink of sleep over the fate of some perverts who get their rocks off drawing naked children.

As an anime fan, though, I DO support these laws, because frankly I'm sick of the general public thinking anime = "perverted drawings" or other disgusting things.


I agree with yah.


So should the Animation Creators Assoc that oppose Japan's New Child Porn Revision Bill be arrested for supporting what you don't like? Should we sent the whole Japanese government to the ICC (International Criminal Court) for not putting anime and manga on Japan's child porn law?
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jdotaku



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:02 am Reply with quote
I am a long time fan of Akamatsu and his work and appreciate his outspokenness on these issues. He himself could likely be censored or who knows what else for some of his work over the years which is absurd. Do I like some of the stuff thats out there? No. Do most americans (or apparently british?) no. Hell just recently I offered to take a friend a grown man mind you older than myself to an anime club meeting only to have his mother whom he lives with for health reasons concerned that it might be offensive material we were viewing (granted some of it is PG13 type stuff but hentai is for special showings lol) anyway hope this gets overturned
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:59 am Reply with quote
MidoriUma wrote:
As an anime fan, though, I DO support these laws, because frankly I'm sick of the general public thinking anime = "perverted drawings" or other disgusting things.
I remember what it was like as a 'normal' looking at anime from the outside. I was fully aware of the existence of horrible, disgusting stuff but I did not for one second think that it made up all anime. That's just dumb.

However I did wrongly assume that most anime was either grimdark degenerate pandering horse shit or Dragonball Z rip offs. The western anime community likes to scream about how ecchi or 'moe' shows like K-ON or, in this case, loli is what's setting a bad example completely oblivious to the fact that shows like Hellsing and Naruto aren't going to be everyone's cup of tea either.

Admittedly I actually quite liked Death Note when my friend managed to convince me to watch it and I also really enjoyed watching Attack on Titan as it aired. However, I really don't like the sort of people those shows attract and the image it gives to anime. It's exactly the sort of thing that drove me away from watching anime in the first place until I found out about K-ON and the Slice of Life genre. So by that logic all those shows should be banned right? Violence is illegal in real life so gratuitous depictions of violence should be outlawed too right? Because by your logic that makes perfect sense.
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the-antihero



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:35 am Reply with quote
shiranehito wrote:
Honestly, with you guys who think that person needs to get jailed because he's "gross" and merely for having not-real fictional images about sexualized young girls... Rolling Eyes

The way I see it, he didn't do any harm to any real children, and I don't know how the police caught him having such images in his computer, but I don't think he's spreading those images (because if he did, he probably would be charged for something else)

Just like Akamatsu said, it does not involve real children, so no real harm was done to actual children.

I guess the next day you probably will get arrested as terrorist if you downloaded several images of guns and rifles to your computer.


And everyone who owns Rambo 4 on DVD or Blu-ray will be on trial since there are scenes depicting children being murdered, one being stabbed while being stepped on and another being thrown into a burning house by a Burmese soldier.

Besides, hasn't Allan Moore made a pornographic work involving underage girls? And he actually uses the word 'pornographic' on BBC's Hard Talk and differentiating it from erotica. And the guy gets tons of praise.

I just hate how inconsistent sex laws are in many countries.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:51 am Reply with quote
the-antihero wrote:
And everyone who owns Rambo 4 on DVD or Blu-ray will be on trial since there are scenes depicting children being murdered, one being stabbed while being stepped on and another being thrown into a burning house by a Burmese soldier.

Rambo 4 is banned in Burma for "negative betrayals of Burmese soldiers".
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revolutionotaku



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:02 am Reply with quote
"Puni Puni Poemy", "Ikki Tousen: Dragon Destiny" & "High School DxD" are all banned in New Zealand according to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films
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animalia555



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:03 pm Reply with quote
Anyone ever hear of Turner's Syndrome? I bring it up because one of the side effects is that girls with will stop aging physically right before they hit puberty. Law & Order SVU even did an episode about the implications of this, and had a 17 year old (legally an adult in New York) girl with Turner's Syndrome LEGALLY dating an adult, who she new was into her because she looked like a little kid but didn't care because it was probably her only chance for a relationship. While it REALLY creeps the detective out there is nothing they can do because the girl is PHYSICAL girl is LEGALLY an adult despite LOOKING like a kid. While a fictional story it obviously thought about the real world applications of something like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:48 pm Reply with quote
MidoriUma wrote:
Yttrbio wrote:
I also feel it is important to establish my moral superiority to these degenerates, and will pay no heed to the fact that I'm also announcing to the world I'm comfortable with locking fellow human beings in a cage because they're kind of gross.


Um, I'm 100% okay with locking pedophiles in a cage.

I don't see aversion to child porn as moral superiority. More like the minimum necessary morality to be considered a civilized human being.



I find it hard to believe a human being in this day and age is this close minded and judgmental to something that probably has never affected them, and probably never will.

But hey, let's go ahead and believe it's serious:
You should be locked in a cage and isolated from normal human society. You are poisonous. You and people like you will lead humanity down through a dark age of fear, paranoia, and slavery to the lowest common denominator of pretentious over-worried control freaks.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:56 pm Reply with quote
Ken Akamatsu has always been my hero for speaking up for support of artistic freedoms and the right for people to consume them safely. I think loli art is largely cute and I can understand those who have stronger feelings for it. As long as people can consume it safely as people had for decades, I am for artistic freedom and for consumers to be able to enjoy without being thrown into jail. Let there be some recourse and benefit of the doubt instead of kneejerk arresting and convicting. Best of luck to that man.
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