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Jacut
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Lack of objectivity is the basic premise by which ANN should stop giving reviews writership to fangirls. This review was clearly worse than the series was.
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JacobC
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Someone citing "objectivity" for a reason a review isn't good, proving that they have no idea what the word means and just want their own opinions parroted back to them in every review they read? Take a shot! |
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AsherFischell
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What about this review lacked objectivity? Was it how Hope very clearly demonstrated the complete narrative and conceptual disconnect with the first season or how she pointed out the frequent use of plot contrivances? And how was it fangirlish? Was it how she talked about the themes of the show and the ideology behind them? While I myself can be critical of this site's reviews, I not only found this one to be excellent, but I also find Hope to be among the best writers the site has to offer. |
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Gina Szanboti
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You know, I don't even know what that means. Was he trying to say the review was more negative than the series deserved or that because Hope's a "fangirl" it wasn't negative enough, and therefore worse than the series? With this coming after a near meltdown in the SAO thread because "reviewers are too negative" and should like the series they review, it's difficult to know what to make of it, other than "she didn't agree with me" one way or another.
I'm just glad this is over. I think the only person I liked in this, besides the professor of course, was the new guy who's always late. Oh, and the sweet hacker who's pining for Akane. Kamui kept reminding me of the Laughing Man, and it seems either ill-advised or shots fired that his first name was Kirito. |
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Juno016
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I'm starting to feel like I don't understand the sibyl system and the themes or sci-fi elements of Psycho-Pass after this second season. spoiler[What was and is their goal--were the two concepts actually ever that different? What exactly made Kamui a "collective entity"? Was it multiple personality disorder or did the parts of other people truly fuse into his brain? How DOES the sibyl system judge a collective entity and what exact criteria does it use to do so? It certainly doesn't use the same system that judges the ASL in the series... right? And Mommy Togane... it was just her being judged, right? Why didn't it judge her until it had decided to judge collective entities? I thought she was only one brain at the time...]
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Daerian
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There is no such thing as "objective" review.
Review can try to be close to "objective" in talking about things like narrative/story mistakes, bad animation or cacophony instead of music - but in the end, every review is opinion of someone and by definition cannot be objective. About rule 2b - I think system was now able to measure previously criminally asymptotic brains inside itself exactly because it had such psychopathic types in system, that they could have been now measured - and with loss of them system instantly lost ability to measure them... kinda going against it stated goal of perfection. But oh well, this season internal logic has more problems than this one. |
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residentgrigo
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@Hope "SIBYL VS SYBIL SHOWDOWN". I love it.
Have a great christmas and i liked you anime top 5 the best. |
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varmintx
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Actar
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ManusDomini wrote a post on MAL giving a pretty convincing explanation of the Collective Psycho-Pass. It's a great read for those of you who don't understand the concept.
Interestingly enough, I think the season was entirely for the sake of introducing this concept for the movie. One can even say that Kamui was a contrived villain that was created for the sole purpose of forcing the Sybil System to update itself. |
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OtakunX
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i personally believe that the reviewer here has missed over key elements that explain the reasoning for this whole season. Whether it's by choice or ignorance I'm not sure but it seems that way to me. I found the show to be decent, not great but also not worth an F rating. Over my skims of these reviews it seem to me that the reviewer just chose not to talk about certain points to make the show make better sense or try to put elements into the show that were never discussed but assumed within the narrative. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I have no interest in trying to change someone elses opinion, just expressing my own.
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dtm42
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Of course he was contrived. How can a piece of skin converse with the rest of Kamui's body in any fashion, let alone intelligently? How can a part of a spleen have its own psycho pass? It isn't sentient (let alone sapient) for crying out loud. All one needs to do is to think about Kamui's situation for literally two seconds and it becomes clear that the writers of this season don't just fail screenwriting, they also fail basic biology. |
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CoreSignal
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The last line of the review is great: "I need it to wash my brain out"
The movie can't come soon enough. Anyway, the showdown withspoiler[ Kamui, Sybil, and Tougane] was so anticlimatic. Kamui basically spoiler[ gets a 300 CC reading on the one of the brains, and apparantly, he's satisfied Sybil is guilty and can die happy now, which Tougane happily helps him with at the end]. Also, point 1 in the review basically explains how the premise of Sybil's "perfection" in Season 2 contradicts the Sybil's justification in Season 1. Sybil was never thought of as a perfect system in season 1 so I have no idea why Ubukata decided questioning its perfection should be a central plot point. One big gripe with PP2 is the complete waste of the returning cast. Yayoi, Ginoza, and Shion were pretty much a waste. After episode 5, all three characters probably had a total of 20 lines of dialogue combined and even less screen time. Not to mention the death of spoiler[Aoyanagi],a potientally interesting returning character. Heck, even the new enforcer, Hinakawa, barely has anything to his character. My other big gripe, all the detective/procedural elements are essentially gone. The first season was never a super realistic portrayal of detective work, but at least you saw Akane and co. doing some actual stuff like asking witnesses, examining crime scenes, following leads, etc. This season, most of the inspectors/enforcers run to the crime scene with guns blazing (see episode 4). @Actar I have two issues with the collective Psycho-Pass concept from the MAL post. 1) Sybil is judging "members of collectives as parts of a person" and that it's problematic because "we can cast judgement on people not related to the actual crimes", which is a perfectly valid point. Here's my issue: if that's the case, then why does Kamui try convince Sybil to pass judgements on a collective instead of an individual? Kamui's entire point is well.....pointless because it runs into the problems mentioned above. It's essentially trading one problem for another. 2)"the power is being removed from Sibyl and being entrusted back to the people." A couple issues here. Giving the power to the people is one thing, whether they actually start a revolution is another. Remember despite the spoiler[city-wide riots] at the end of season 1, everything went back to normal. Except for Akane, it seems like nobody else has any interest in overthrowing Sybil. And again, I don't know why the MAL poster is calling Sybil "perfect" again. It was already established in season 1 that Sybil is flawed. I also think that the character of Kamui was pretty much setting up the collective concept for the movie. I do think there could be an interesting way to explore the collective vs. individual concept, but PP2 did not do a good job of it. Maybe Urobuchi can do a better one. |
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qberr
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spoiler[NOPE,shambala barely has single scans http://yomogi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/asaloon/1418547927/851-951 season2 has absolutely no contribution to the movie, Sugo and Sho are barely in it, it's just Akane's bizarre adventures in shambala floats she barely interacts with Kogami Gino (once he pops in long with div1 during the climax) has a much better interaction it seems] you can just pretend s2 never happened yes, it was just a mass hallucination granny passed out peacefully with both her ears, Aoyanagi was transferred to the ministry of whatever as per the 10years promotion, Sugo and Gino bonded from being the only enforcers that are at least slightly manlier than Yayoi, and that's about it Last edited by qberr on Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:08 am; edited 2 times in total |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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If someone likes a series and can explain in depth why they like it, or vice versa, then I see no issue with letting them review it. 'Fanboy/girl' is just a lazy buzzword used by people, such as yourself in this instance, who want to talk down to people for the simple fact that they have an opposing viewpoint as opposed to making actual criticism of said viewpoint. If Hope wrote a review that was in line with your own views, I doubt you'd react the same way no matter how poorly written it was. While I don't honestly believe all opinions are of equal worth (I have no reason to take your opinion seriously for example) there is literally no way for a review to be completely objective. All reviews are opinion based. |
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JacobC
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I'll take that "barely." Interested to see what they would have to say to one another when they finally meet again. |
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