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hellsingfan01



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:07 pm Reply with quote
hey it's nothing you can help if the site goes down it goes down the only thing you can do is do your best to get back up and to fix the issue at hand
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FMABleach



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:08 pm Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
FMABleach wrote:
This is very unfortunate, and I hope all issues will be resolved soon. Sad

If someone is attacking the site, they must not have anything better to do but cause major issues with an awesome site like ANN. -.-'


It amazes me what people will decide is a good use of their time and talent, and I always wonder what goes through their mind beforehand. If it was indeed something deliberately aimed at ANN, I'd have to ask why ANN since there isn't anything worth getting that worked up about coming from this site. If it was just random mayhem, then what is the point?

Some people have been angry enough with Sony to attack them in a way that affects the Playstation Network, but the result isn't me being angry at Sony, it is me being angry at them for disrupting the use of my Playstation. Back when somebody grabbed a One Piece simulcast off of Funimation some people acted like Funi deserved it for not protecting the content better, but the result was a major disruption to people's viewing because someone else decided not to respect people's property.



You bring up some good points there, Greed. I do agree with what you said of course.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:34 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:

As a matter of fact, most of the time I use linux when I am buying something online, have installed an antivirus and my browser has several add ons for security,


That's not adequate protection if someone really wants to target you.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:52 pm Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
mangamuscle wrote:

As a matter of fact, most of the time I use linux when I am buying something online, have installed an antivirus and my browser has several add ons for security,


That's not adequate protection if someone really wants to target you.


Maybe you are under the naive impression that you, me and everybody else in the internet is not being targeted by the cybermafia at this very moment or subscribe to the philosophy of "why take protection measures? there is no infallible protection". Once you are online you are as close to the russian (or chinese or italian or whatever) mafia as you are to whatever local mafia there is where you live. They really want to get access to your, mine and anybodies computer, whether to use it as a zombie bot to attack/infiltrate another computer or to extract your credit card info from your computer or to extort money as I explained earlier.

I agree that if the NSA or any other big spying agency puts some real money (hacker time is money, just like any employee they get paid) into hacking into my network, they might eventually, but there is no real payoff for them and it would probably be faster and cheaper to get somebody inside here and steal the hard disks.

Remember, protection never grants invulnerability, but makes you a less tasty target.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:42 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:

Remember, protection never grants invulnerability, but makes you a less tasty target.


Yeah, there's no adequate protection; there's some really smart people out there. If they really wanna target anime sites, expect anime sites to be breached.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:51 pm Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
Yeah, there's no adequate protection; there's some really smart people out there. If they really wanna target anime sites, expect anime sites to be breached.


How many super-hackers do you think there are out there? a dozen? a hundred? a thousand? Now tell me how many script kiddies do you think there are out there? a hundred thousand? a million? ten million or more? For every virtuoso level specialist there are a thousand or more that barely know the basics (but to an uninitiated might look like a genius). So by simple probabilities, the chances of being hacked by a super hacker are quite low, but there are quite high probabilities that an script kiddie might target anybody at any given time and those can be defeated by some run of the mill protection measures.

If ANN was targeted my bet is on a script kiddie level hacker, since super hackers would go for really juicy targets (banks, goverment agencies, corporate networks) and most of the time they would not know they were even hacked.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Several news discussion threads (maybe tens or even hundreds) are gone completely after forum/site downtime. News article offer possibility to create new discussion threads.

Are those discussions recoverable?


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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:00 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
enurtsol wrote:

Yeah, there's no adequate protection; there's some really smart people out there. If they really wanna target anime sites, expect anime sites to be breached.

How many super-hackers do you think there are out there? a dozen? a hundred? a thousand? Now tell me how many script kiddies do you think there are out there? a hundred thousand? a million? ten million or more? For every virtuoso level specialist there are a thousand or more that barely know the basics (but to an uninitiated might look like a genius). So by simple probabilities, the chances of being hacked by a super hacker are quite low, but there are quite high probabilities that an script kiddie might target anybody at any given time and those can be defeated by some run of the mill protection measures.


We've visited the old Silk Road thru Tor before it was dissolved. Surprising the services that can be solicited there, even back then.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:01 pm Reply with quote
MaxSouth wrote:
Several news discussion threats are gone completely after forum downtime. News offer possibility to create new discussion threads.

Are those discussions recoverable?

As mentioned in the article all threads that were created this past week period are gone. That includes new threads in all sections, even the Community section, and any new threads linked to news article. All posts made in the past week in threads that predate the down time are also gone. They're gone and they're not coming back. Much like Sega console gaming systems.
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MaxSouth



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:06 pm Reply with quote
Thanks; even DB back-ups are gone? Server providers usually store incremental daily archives for at least some time. But this forum is maybe too big for that.

By the way, it looks like not only this past week, but even a littler older.
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Hameyadea



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:09 pm Reply with quote
MaxSouth wrote:
Thanks, it looks like even DB back-ups are gone?

By the way, it looks like not only this past week, but even earlier than that.

I noticed that most forum posts on the site, post-Shutdown, were dated to February 5th and 6th, so about 11 days-or-so were gone (at least the articles themselves seem to have been left intact, which for a news site it always good)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:16 pm Reply with quote
I finally read the news article. I missed it in the first place, I thought it was usual message about downtime, not about data loss.

Things went pretty bad. In defence of technical staff I could say that I also once faced situation when my daily back-up was not working, and I had no idea about that. The issue was that there was a glitch in archiving software that made the process to blow up and silently go out of memory, which was completely unexpected by me, and I only found out it accidentally.

Thankfully, no crashes have happened during that time, so everything has turned out to be fine, but I had to think of ways to automate independent confirmation on whether archive file actually gets created. There are ways to do it via AutoHotkey/AutoIt scripts, among many other options.
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Touma



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:41 pm Reply with quote
This talk about hackers makes me ask:
Has anybody said that this downtime and data loss was the result of some kind of cyber attack, rather than just an equipment failure?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:22 pm Reply with quote
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Not that I know of.

ANN was recently the target of hacking that attempted to blackmail the site, but only ANN admin know if that had anything to do with this latest outage.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:03 pm Reply with quote
I just noticed as a subscriber I am no longer using the fast server. Is this perhaps where the problems lie?
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