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Gina Szanboti
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Well, since I'm no expert, I couldn't say, but it seems like it was probably like manga - some was for kids, some was for grownups, so the medium itself was not viewed on the whole as being reserved for one demographic. Also, the stigma mostly goes one way - there's no stigma if kids read things aimed at grownups. If you look at the history of Argosy, the first pulp magazine in the US, it seems to have undergone a radical evolution over nearly a century of publishing, from children's stories to soft core men's adventure porn, without needing to change its brand name to do so (it had some different titles, but always with Argosy in them). When it was a children's pulp though, it only took 5 months before they went bankrupt because kids in 1882 didn't have any money to spend so advertisers weren't interested, plus they had a tendency to grow up and stop subscribing. So by 1888 it had shifted to an adult readership, with people like Upton Sinclair and Zane Grey writing for it. After WWII it turned into a men's adventure rag, with articles like "Weasels Ripped My Flesh" (ok, that one was in Men's Life, but you get the idea  ).
Yeah, but those movies and tv shows are usually set in the 50s or later. But yes, Johnson Smith Co. ran an ad on the back of Action Comics #1 in 1938, but they also ran similar ads (since that's the kind of stuff they sold) in Popular Mechanics and Science Digest, which weren't exclusively the province of young teenage boys (high school at least!), and I've seen vintage comic book ads for razors and automotive oil and even life insurance, so I don't even know what that says. Even the Smith ad in Action was offering Japanese rose bushes - bet the kids were clamoring for that!
While it was true that teenagers were eagerly reading those comics, adult men still were too until the CCA created the impression that they were made only for kids and then made sure they actually were. Then the adults moved on to men's adventure mags and Playboy. And then the kids moved on to tv, which was already under the Television Code, so kids' stuff was for kids and adult programming was for families.
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leafy sea dragon
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Wow, never really gave much thought about the segregation of things between for kids and for adults actually being something that was artificially enforced. (If a kid reads Playboy, though, then there's something off about that kid.) I hear there was a business reason behind the CCA though, it being a coalition of DC, Marvel, and especially Archie to stomp out publishers like Gold Key and EC. But considering DC, Marvel, and Archie continued to thrive afterwards, I guess it didn'tmatter to them that what they published had essentially become a children's medium.
What children could have in the 1880's was different than today now, huh? Today, I see parents buying everything their kids want. I guess children had to buy their own stuff back then. |
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Gina Szanboti
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I think that's backwards. Kids today have disposable income from allowances, and parents buy the big ticket items. Kids in the 19th c only had what their parents let them keep after working all day in a thread factory, which was nothing.
Here's a good example of a 40s comic book not aimed at kids (it began as a pulp on a military base during the war). |
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Hitokiri Kenshin
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Had myself some moments as being a Power Ranger fan, for a long time, I was quiet about it as I didn't want to receive crap for liking it, so I would often use excuses of babysitting or looking at the pretty girls when I mentioned knowledge of the post-MMPR seasons. (Saying you're watching a kids' show to look at pretty girls tends to have guys not give you crap about things). Over it now, but was a closet fan for quite a bit.
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leafy sea dragon
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Huh, interesting. I had never heard of Torchy until now. As far as these kids I'm talking about go though, they have no need for allowances. Not when they can ask their parents to get them something any time they want and their parents will buy it immediately regardless of what it is and without question. These parents never ever say no and will fight tooth and nail if someone else does. I don't know if this is a common sight elsewhere, but I see it all the time going around shopping in general, and it happens with every income level. |
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Polycell
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There's been a rather large culture drift: just a few decades ago, it was common to see kids out playing for hours without meaningful supervision. Now letting your kid play in your backyard and watching them through the window is child neglect. This is also ignoring the very real possibility some of the poorer families faced of not being able to put food on the table.
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jr240483
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of course they dont do that. especially the companies and license committees. if they do fans over there would dismiss the series completely and would not bother with it.especially if its gonna get "americanized" in the US like YGO.
its simple really. it sells. especially if its anime. if your new to its history,it wasnt like that. people in the US never considered anime to be kid friendly back in the early 80's. especially with ero series like la blue girl , lady blue and other ero series. then there were series that were non ero but seriously graphic. the most infamous ones were Akira , Vampire Hunter D , and especially Guyver , Mad Bull 34 & Ninja Scroll back in the early 90's. though if you want to know why is animation for kids in the US. there is no better example than taking a look at the massive crave that was pokemon that took place 20+ years ago. not to mention things like DBZ , one piece and gundam which were ridiculously popular with young boys back then. and with them came the crapload of toys, games and TCGs (Trading Card Games) that were based off of those franchises. so answerman is right. no side is right and no side is wrong on this matter. while adults wont understand why most of the times they do understand one thing though. money makes the world go around and kids based series like pokemon will ensure that it will continue to make money alongs as there is a profit involved. |
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Gina Szanboti
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Somehow I missed your post until now. Re: Bugs, by post-Code I meant the Comics Code, not the Hays Code. My point was that when the pressure was on for comics to clean up their act, I think the dust-up affected cartoons as well, even though they didn't have to abide by it (beyond complying already with the Hays Code). Maybe it's just less talented writers or something, but to me Bugs and friends' wit just lacks the same bite from the 50s on. Betty Boop first appeared in 1930 in Talkartoons, and after a few of those, got her own series. In fact, Popeye's animated debut in 1933 was in a Betty Boop-branded cartoon, though she was barely in it (I guess that's sort of a pun, since she danced the hula topless with Popeye). So yeah, she had a whole body of work outside her appearances with Popeye. |
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Zalis116
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The curious case of The Wiggles appears to show that the double standard is alive and well -- it's perfectly fine for adult women to be into something VERY CLEARLY not for them, and heck, they'll even put on adults-only Wiggles shows where the adoring fans can get drunk off their collective gourds. Something tells me those women don't face social ostracism the way "big-friend" fans of Precure would face for going to one of those all-night Precure movie marathons in Japan. Granted, the Wiggles performers these women are attracted to are actual adult men, but it still represents a leeway of social "deviation from the norm" that men are not afforded. Though maybe this societal permissiveness is a reflection of the greater "women are as children" mentality that The Patriarchy promotes.
Though in this climate, I'd say it's more socially responsible not to have children, if ya catch my meaning... Last edited by Zalis116 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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TarsTarkas
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Along with not letting your kids go to the park by themselves. It is probably even wrong now to let your kid walk several blocks to their friends house. I remember having to walk a couple miles home from school sometimes. Through neighborhoods, over the freeway, through empty fields, past gas stations, and crossing major roads. Today's society is a bit sad. |
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F302 Pilot
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the Pixar movies really don't interest me,i haven't watch pixar movie for a decade, i sometimes wish that Disney would go back to the hand drawn/2D animation, i watch kids/teen shows every now and then,but only live action shows like Are You Afraid Of The Dark, The Secret World of Alex Mack and Clarissa Explains It All, and also some Australian kids shows like Round the Twist and Ocean Girl, but now i wish i watch those shows as a kid, but i was mighty young at the time |
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Lord Oink
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Lazy Town is another one of those shows. Lots of gals who watched it for Sportacus. spoiler[And guys who watched it for Stephanie ]. Nickelodeon and Disney do it to a point even Family Guy called them out https://youtu.be/mDUtsDeuSSM Kids anime is a lot more appealing to me than adult anime. They tend to be longer and more interesting and more creative. They also tend to have an ending rather than an advert to go read the light novels or manga. Monster Hunter STORIES is my most anticipated show this year. |
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