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SWAnimefan



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:56 am Reply with quote
I can understand the Agency releasing this statement, but it's not going to stop the fans or deter them. It's the Agency's responsibility to provide the talent with security and transportation, even if they aren't really well-known.

Now when they are on their personal time, the popular ones really should always have a travel buddy to act as security. But thankfully, all but the most determined fans rarely encounter celebrities. You be surprised how a lot of Hollywood actors really aren't really noticed in public. The only ones that do are A-listers with their entourages or celebs being hounded by the paparazzi.

traitorAIZEN wrote:
They won't survive in America that's for sure.


Not sure if you mean the Seiyuu or the deranged fans. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:28 pm Reply with quote
H. Guderian wrote:


I also commend the user that mentioned that this is likely due in part to the tradition that both sides apologize even if there is a clear wrongdoer. Even when you are the party attacked, It shows that you understand why the other party has grown upset, deflating any later angst that could arise. Valuing the cohesion of society as a whole over personal issues.


This is some straight up nonsense though it's like if two people get into a fight if one of the participants egged on the other or threw the first punch and the other retaliated they're both at fault instead of it being the person who started the dustup.
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If you ask me, talk is cheap. The producers can request their fans to not do things, but it's not going to stop people like that psycho. Really, if someone wants to mutilate a celebrity, and their talent agency give sa public announcement saying, "Don't harm our clients!," it's not going to deter them just because someone asked nicely.

What they need is real action, namely better security. Have police take threats more seriously. station guards in restricted-access places. Don't let idols travel alone. And have some system of reporting suspicious activity to authorities who can actually do something about it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:10 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
If you ask me, talk is cheap. The producers can request their fans to not do things, but it's not going to stop people like that psycho. Really, if someone wants to mutilate a celebrity, and their talent agency give sa public announcement saying, "Don't harm our clients!," it's not going to deter them just because someone asked nicely.

What they need is real action, namely better security. Have police take threats more seriously. station guards in restricted-access places. Don't let idols travel alone. And have some system of reporting suspicious activity to authorities who can actually do something about it.


She was attacked at a public train station. Even if the police took her concerns more seriously, there is very little they could do. Even in the United States this is true. A restraining order is only as powerful as the paper it is printed on. Especially if your stalker doesn't care or think about what happens afterwards.

The Japanese do report suspicious activity, and they have police kobans around the area to respond quickly. But it only takes a minute to stab or shot someone to death. Train stations in Japan are filled with stores to shop for everything under the sun, so a person hanging around would not be suspicious, unless they were hiding in the shadows.

The studio is only responsible for security at their employees place of employment or events. Even then the venue might be responsible. But that only goes so far.

Banks are robbed all the time, even ones that have security at them. Is it the banks fault that evil people want to rob them and hurt anyone that gets in the way. Should McDonalds or Burger King have armed roving guards in the fast food restrauant to prevent late night robberies.

Really, should idols be treated better, than your sister, girlfriend, daughter, or wife. Girls and women deal with obsessive men and stalkers all the time. You can't lock someone up who hasn't done a crime yet. You can warn them you are watching, but until they strike or make a mistake you are on your own.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:55 pm Reply with quote
The difference here is that this was not some sudden spur-of-the-moment stabbing, this particular incident, but that the dude had been leaving creepy messages and threats for her for at least weeks, if not months. He learned her address and her route home, both of which should be private information. She attempted to call the police and her agency about it, but they both brushed it off as not a big deal. Since this was something either planned far in advance by the attacker or at least was the end result of a slow emotional buildup, this could've been prevented had either source of authority took the warning signs more seriously.

That is, spontaneous violence cannot be stopped, but this was not spontaneous.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:48 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
The difference here is that this was not some sudden spur-of-the-moment stabbing, this particular incident, but that the dude had been leaving creepy messages and threats for her for at least weeks, if not months. He learned her address and her route home, both of which should be private information. She attempted to call the police and her agency about it, but they both brushed it off as not a big deal. Since this was something either planned far in advance by the attacker or at least was the end result of a slow emotional buildup, this could've been prevented had either source of authority took the warning signs more seriously.

That is, spontaneous violence cannot be stopped, but this was not spontaneous.

My point is that, unless he made a mistake, there still would be nothing to be done. If she did put in a Japanese version of a restraining order, it is still only as good as the paper it is written on. Yeah, maybe the Japanese police, could apply pressure, but usually stalkers do not care, and sometimes it also sets them off.

The only way to usually stop an obsessive stalker is to jail them, or kill them. So unless the stalker breaks an actual law that lands them with 'real' jail time, they are still going to stalk you.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:46 am Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
leafy sea dragon wrote:
The difference here is that this was not some sudden spur-of-the-moment stabbing, this particular incident, but that the dude had been leaving creepy messages and threats for her for at least weeks, if not months. He learned her address and her route home, both of which should be private information. She attempted to call the police and her agency about it, but they both brushed it off as not a big deal. Since this was something either planned far in advance by the attacker or at least was the end result of a slow emotional buildup, this could've been prevented had either source of authority took the warning signs more seriously.

That is, spontaneous violence cannot be stopped, but this was not spontaneous.

My point is that, unless he made a mistake, there still would be nothing to be done. If she did put in a Japanese version of a restraining order, it is still only as good as the paper it is written on. Yeah, maybe the Japanese police, could apply pressure, but usually stalkers do not care, and sometimes it also sets them off.

The only way to usually stop an obsessive stalker is to jail them, or kill them. So unless the stalker breaks an actual law that lands them with 'real' jail time, they are still going to stalk you.


In Japan there are anti-stalking laws though so yeah, he could've been jailed. The police were incompetent in this case and must bear a sizable percentage of the blame along with the deranged man who stabbed the idol in the first place.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:58 am Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:

In Japan there are anti-stalking laws though so yeah, he could've been jailed. The police were incompetent in this case and must bear a sizable percentage of the blame along with the deranged man who stabbed the idol in the first place.


Even if they have anti-stalking laws, did he actually break any of them, and if he did, do they have 'real' jail time. Usually these laws are only good against idiot stalkers that don't have a brain. Japanese police did admit they were at fault for not taking this serious, but even with anti-stalking laws, they can only do so much and a lot depends on what the stalker does.
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