Forum - View topicChicks on Anime [2008-09-23]
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Cloe
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No kidding. Now, try to imagine how frustrating it is to be one yank trying to explain this to another, when the most common response is an immediate suspicion of character and patriotism. Sigh... |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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Although I actually agreed with Casey for the first time and was slighly surprized that Bamboo knew as much as she did (which in itself is mighy impressive) I was more interested in what Robin had to say.
This is an interesting article because each of the interesting answers. As for the article, the only type of male sterotype I really don't like is the pretty boy sterotype. I can handle the wimpy type, as long as they aren't anything like Shinji Ikari, but that is a entirely diffrent story. As for the strong type, I don't mind this type too much, provided not every sentence is about power or random yelling. Pretty boy types, idot types and stone faced, emotion less types are what annoy me the most, but as long as they aren't done in excess, I usually don't mind them too much. Great article though. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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I have an announcement to Robin, Bamboo, Sara and Casey:
SORRY! I never meant this thread to be derailed due to talk of Denmark. SORRY! It was initially meant as only a passing remark. HONEST! I cringed when I saw the discussion twisting towards the inane and sliding towards banality. SORRY! I am aware at how the "debate" over which is the Netherlands true capital has detracted from actually talking about this week's column. SORRY! I am also aware how this post isn't exactly returning the discussion back onto topic. APOLOGIES! *Gets down on knees, and prays* FORGIVE ME! Sorry for all that, but I felt I was partially to blame for all those posts on Denmark, and the subsequent ones on pharmaceutical companies, capitals of countries, what country is which, the virtues of being Canadian, how socialism rules, and the like. Please people, back on topic. If there even is one*. * I joke, I joke. |
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ParagonDoD
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I think you're assuming too much here. Maybe they're just there to buy stuff? It has nothing to do with geekery or social paralysis. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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This really isn't your fault though. No one else had to add to the topic, so the entire dicussion can't really be blamed on you. This could be worse, this discussion could be the dub vs sub battle. Which most likely wouldn't be as civil is this. |
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burzmali
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24th and 50th, wow, you really showed me. Actually, I said the DEVELOPMENT of drugs and treatments. Anyone with a herd of sheep can make insulin, but innovative cancer treatments are another matter entirely.
Dude, I got pwned! |
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abunai
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Posts: 5463 Location: 露命 |
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Nah. You completely pwned yourself. And you're continuing to do so, and it is continuing to be a less-than-pretty sight. - abunai |
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Goodpenguin
Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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You did completely strike-out on knowledge of Denmark followed by trying to pawn it off as 'typical American outlook', which was pretty lame. Look, this is a no-win dance and a time-honored internet fight. One American poster blow-hards, incorrectly, about world 'facts', and she/he is immediately countered by condescending Euro-centric boosters. A dollar's worth of fighting with a nickel's worth of facts ensues. I don't wish to be a message board nag but maybe anime is best to stick to on an anime message board, rather than undertaking a treatment on the viability on Scandinavian style social benefits in relation to America. |
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posterior_praiser
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Sadly, I find that to be true. I'm from Canada. I tell people my mom is from Finland, and that I'm working on declaring my Finn citizenship, and people almost always ask me where it is, or mix it up with Sweden. From my experience, most people on this side of the Atlantic dont know much about the rest of the world. Probably cause we dont travel as much, and we are quite far away, really. This mixed with crappy education systems does not bode well. |
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Goodpenguin
Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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Do you think the average Finn would know by heart the provinces of Canada? Or major cultural differences between Montana and Missouri? Pinning Puerto Rico on a map? There's no particular scandal/mystery in people having a better general understanding of their close neighbors than more distant countries. In the case of Europe, you also have to factor in the extensive intertwined histories of many countries as well, that's not something that's really shared by NA in relative fashion. |
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posterior_praiser
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Yes, that is true and I'm not about to deny that. And I did say that distance plays a role in that ignorance. I never said it was a mystery either. |
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daxomni
Posts: 2650 Location: Somewhere else. |
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Hmm. I'd say countries such as Saudi Arabia have a very different set of expectations regarding dating and relationships, but today's Japanese dating scene never struck me as being seriously removed from American dating. Yeah, there are definitely differences, but not so much that you'd have an especially hard time moving from one to the other. Although there are some significant differences with long-term Japanese relationships, many of these differences don't seem to become terribly obvious until well after marriage.
I know someone in Japan who visits places where girls are paid to spend time with you. They're not brothels, and the girls won't get physical with you, but they do pretend to like you and will spend as much time with you as you're willing to pay for. He goes there not because he's unwilling to try to start a real relationship, but because he's tried and it hasn't worked out. He's still trying, and it's still not working out, and so he visits with his paid friends and tries to find some semblance of intimacy in this way. Some of the guys who go in there do so because they want to talk to a girl who's prettier or younger than would normally talk to them. Others visit because they're creepy types looking for someone to annoy or to stalk. And still others pay to visit with multiple girls because it gives them a vague sensation of a ménage à trois. There are all types who visit, but the idea that they are mainly folks who could make decent boyfriends but who are simply unwilling to compromise isn't very likely in my view. The vast majority appear to be men who probably couldn't make a relationship work if their life depended on it. I don't know about the reverse situation, with girls visiting paid male friends, but I wonder if perhaps it's not all that different.
Why is a falling birthrate such a "big problem?" It seems like an artificial dilemma brought about by poor economic planning. Where is the evidence of this apparently widespread "breakdown in expectations" that is preventing people from "getting together?" From what I understand people in Japan are still hooking up, they're still dating, and they're still getting married. They aren't procreating at the same level as before, but I'm not sure how we can determine whether people are still "getting together" just from that statistic alone. I can't shake the feeling that this whole position is working backwards from a flawed conclusion. Maybe there is more to this than I'm giving credit for, but the column didn't really lead to this kind of a conclusion in a logical, intuitive manner and nothing I've read or seen in Japan lead me to believe that their gender roles were in serious limbo or that average Japanese were having trouble finding someone to date.
This has been true for a long time and is still true in many cases, but I think it's slowly changing over time, and even though it may be a significant departure from the US today it's not so terribly different from earlier eras.
This is not strictly a Japanese issue though. Many of the men at my job work very long hours; often arriving at work before the sun has risen and leaving well after the sun has set. Rightly or wrongly, in many cases this helps them at least look like hard workers. I think you have to keep in mind that some of these differences between Japan and the US are sometimes as much about differences in career paths and companies than about differences in countries.
You don't see us because we do our best to avoid outgoing folks like you. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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You know, I don't really mind. I'm finding the discussion to be interesting and mildly relevant, so carry on. |
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Redbeard 101
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Been watching the thread and reading posts but wanted to chime in so I apologize for any OT bits.
That would be why I don't say a damn thing in public anymore. Living in a very conservative, fisherman oriented, old crusty redneck white man area means if you don't fish or have a big trust you aint a real American. And no I am not joking some people here go to such extremes. They take those funny peeing on car logo things too seriously and will spend hours berating you for not being patriotic and buying an American car. Trying to explain a topic like socialism to these people would be more painful and tiresome then simply smashing my crotch with a hammer. I would also say imagine how frustrating it is for some of us "yanks" to be associated with other close minded yanks as if we're all the same. On the topic of the alpha/beta male though I would say the big boom for the alpha male in all his macho glory has come and gone. Sure we still get shows with guys of the likes of Kamina but they aren't nearly as frequent as in the past IMHO. Anymore half the time the macho badass characters aren't even male but women in fact. I think part of that is due to the change in the viewer base as back in the 80's and early 90's anime was much more male oriented I think. As it's become more popular more and more females have gotten interested and I think in the manga department they outnumber men 2-1 or maybe 3-1 almost. And for many/majority those big macho men just aren't as appealing now. Society in a lot of areas also seem to favor the more emotional and subdued male over the big boisterous macho man anymore. Granted it's all just my opinion but I think the macho man image is becoming a thing of the past. So bring on the future.....being on the hot macho babes!!! |
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Rednal
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I think Socialism CAN work... but in community-oriented societies (some East Asian areas, for example, such as China), not in ones that stress the individual a little more, such as America. Then again, those who go to the 'Patriotic' extreme might not appreciate watching those "Japanimation Shows" rather than good, honest American stuff. Like the Simpsons.
On the Alpha/Beta male subject, there's also the fact that only one can really be the dominant one; everyone else has to be subordinate. I personally enjoy assisting others, despite being as emotionally sensitive as a brick wall. Sometimes, for purely selfish reasons. I want the Bus to get to my stop faster, so I help this nice old lady get her walker onboard so we don't have to extend the ramp. Other times, I have nothing better to do. There's nothing wrong with helping others; anybody who thinks along the lines of "I'm too important to open a door for somebody because I'm such a manly man" isn't impressing me very much. A man is judged not by how he treats his equals, but how he treats his lessers. |
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