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Wooga
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No, we don't. Because it's not. It's not even the first Mickey Mouse cartoon! It's the first SOUND cartoon. 
edit: Wait, feature film? *is confused* |
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JaQiLinOtaku
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I believe Kirikiri23 means just 'anime' as a whole, in gereral. A supposed rip-off of the aesthetic of the Japanese style over standard US cartoons. Which I personally think would be a silly and somewhat supremist opinion to have. Not to mention confusing! I mean, don't people complain about how crap American cartoons are compared to Japanese cartoons? So then when an American cartoon copies/is inspired by the Japanese style, PEOPLE COMPLAIN THEY ARE JUST RIPPING OFF ANIME. You can't win. |
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Letthemeatraep
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Avatar is a rip off of so many different ideas you can't just label it as a rip off of anime, although there are a number of elements that could be traced to anime it's true, I much prefer to call Avatar a rip off of early 90s animated movie Ferngully The Last Rainforest.
[Please don't troll. Just saying something is horrible, when that's not even what we're discussing, is just going to fuel an OT flame war. Such a comment also serves no other purpose than to incite a response. Not to mention, they're talking about the Avatar Nickelodeon series, not the Cameron film.] |
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phoenixphire24
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Uh, I think we're all talking about Avatar the Last Airbender, the Nick cartoon, not the lately released 3D film. America and Japan both put out quality animated shows and lots and lots of crap. This year in particular there has been some great animated American films. There are some good shows on TV as well, although most of them are on cable and take some time to find. Batman: TBATB has quite grown on me. The Music Meister episode was brilliant. |
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AJMkarate717
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You know, it often irritates me how people complain so. Let's go over the basics. 1) FUNimation is a business. This means that the purpose of the company is to make money. As you advocate, a quicker release would warrant more sales, and, subsequently, bring in more money. Thus, to complete the syllogism, since making money is in FUNimation's best interest, so is releasing a series as quickly as possible. Make no mistake, the businessmen and women at FUNimation are shrewd in their practices. They know what they are doing, and if something plausible is prone to making money, they will surely pursue it. This would lead one to believe that they are releasing things as quickly as they can. Licensing, dubbing, post-production, designing, manufacturing, and shipping all take time, and any number of things might go wrong. They do the best they can, though; that's for sure - they would lose money if they didn't. 2) As for re-releasing things (the special edition Eva 1.01, for example, FUNimation also strives to make money here. There are calculations (and if anyone ever takes an economics class, they will surely learn something about this) to be done that determine the most effective time to release a product that has also had a first run of releases. FUNimation is not being mean to us, they are simply trying to stay in business. That they release the DVD significantly later just means that they anticipate that the most units will be sold at that time. Secondly.
As an actor, I can tell you that the American studios have the process as right as it can be. First of all, acting and imitation are two VERY different things. As an actor, one should not have to see any other performance - it is his or her job to convey the character as well as possible based on the materials (script, direction, etc.) given. Trying to imitate another performance, if anything at all, gets in the way of giving an authentic read. Very rarely does it actually add anything. Thus, it is not a coincidence that the Japanese and American tracks are often very similar - both actors give reads based on the character, and, as actors, they both come to the same conclusions and make the same choices. To make these choices, the American actors also listen to the Japanese track before recording any one line to pick up on emotion. Where the tracks differ is where the actors have made different choices. As an actor, it is your job to make these choices; just because one actor makes a different choice than another playing the same character doesn't mean that either are "wrong." As for there being more "depth" to the character through imitation, that is also a fallacy. There would be nothing "deeper" about the character, just more similarities to the Japanese actor's decisions. *sigh* Well, my rant's out of the way. 
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DuelLadyS
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As entertaining as this back-and-forth is (very "who's on first"), I think I'll spoil the fun for the sake of smaller posts. It's not considered a rip-off of any specific show, but of anime in general, so the sake of its asian settings and art style. The same reason Teen Titans is considered a rip-off for taking DC characters and sticking them with big eyes, sweatdrops, and a tendency to go super-deformed. (For the record, that's not saying either show is in fact a rip-off, just pointing out the reason some people use to get the conclusion.) |
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Fronzel
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The "Avatar is a rip-off of anime" debate!?
4chan to the rescue! Mod Note: don't break the tables with your images thanks |
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yuricon
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You got the bit about the Yuri audience here in the west being pretty fractured right. Also, the largest percentage of that audience - young guys who like lesbian porn for personal reasons - is statistically the audience least likely to pay for their entertainment if they can download it for free.
Here in the West porn is hard to print and hard to sell. Bookstores and comic stores won't touch it, and since the people who most want it won't actually *buy* it, it's a futile choice. Aside from the fact that other than doujinshi, which are not licensable, there's actually very little Yuri porn. Most Yuri is young first love, right now heavy on the moe, since that's what the male fandom in Japan likes. As it happens, in Japan right now, Yuri is a small growth industry in a shrinking overall market. As of 2009 there's five Yuri manga anthologies, 6 if you include our Yuri Monogatari, and two very successful Yuri anime came out this year to critical and fan acclaim. There's so much Yuri being published that it's hard to keep up, even for me. Your understanding of josei puzzles me a bit. Josei sells REALLY well in Japan, where manga is a fact of life for most magazines, including regular women's mags. BL is a subset of josei, remember. Just like Twilight, Ladies Comics and Josei magazines sell well to to younger and older women. And again, I don't know what you're reading, but most josei I read is pretty realistic, in a manga-y kind of way, like Suppli. Think soap operas - realistic-ish, heavy of the drama. Stories that are way less fantasy fulfillment than Death Note. I appreciate your attempt to address this issue and hope that I helped a bit to clarify the situation. Cheers, Erica Friedman |
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RDespair
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FLCL crossed over to the mainstream? Maybe we have drastically different definitions of mainstream, but when I think mainstream, I think stuff like Astro Boy, Speed Racer, Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Naruto, Spirited Away, etc. - you know, stuff that you could mention to someone who isn't a geek and have a decent chance that they'd know what you were talking about. FLCL is not mainstream. It's well known among anime fans like a Cowboy Bebop or Ranma, but virtually unknown outside of anime circles.
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Jih2
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In North America it's not far from "main stream" considering how many people watched it on Adult Swim back in "the day."
I just don't see the relevance at all. Just like how some say mecha is ceaselessly thrown back to Eva ever since 1995 I just don't see it in the big huge productions now a days. |
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CCSYueh
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Excel is about an organization (ACROSS) trying to take over a city (because taking over the world is a big project) & the city workers working to prevent it. There just happen to be more females represented in the agent level of ACROSS than of the City Workers. At least they're both comedy. Don't people compare dissimilar stuff all the time? (Samurai vs ninja. Ninja vs pirate. All it takes is someone make a thread on a board.) Excel is satire. FLCL is surreal. Excel has manga behind it (still working on it) FLCL had manga based on the anime. I found the Excel anime very funny & find something I overlooked every time I watch it. FLCL I laughed at one joke out of all 6 episodes. Actually it was more of a smile than an actual laugh. Martian Successor Nadesico was funnier. So was Magical Shopping Arcade Abenoboshi. That Iwata's cousin bears Black Jack style scars due to a tragic accident where he was napping when a 4 yr old Iwata decided to practice a Kikaider move with box cutters is funny & too real (kids are dangerous). As for the To Love Ru thing, it really can't be helped, can it? We have our dumb jokes Japanese (& other countries) don't get. I remember back in the 70's when PBS was bringing over stuff like Monty Python there were a lot of people who protested they didn't "get" British humor. I find it slightly annoying when fans try to insist different things/names in particular should be said different ways from even how the Japanese actors are saying them. Yeah I get the l/r thing, but when the Japanese actors are actually pulling off the English pronunciation, it's dumb to go with how one thinks it should be. (This is mostly the debate amongst fans.) As far as titles go, usually the Japanese company tells the licensee what they want or it's up to the licensee. The Japanese companies seem most interested in the title selling |
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Fronzel
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The Japanese actor pulls of the English pronunciation and someone insists on doing it differently? I don't really understand what you're talking about. Could you provide an example? What about when they're making a mess of the word, like the bizarre pronounciation of "eureka" in Eureka 7 which was even imposed on the dub? I certainly refuse to use it. |
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ikillchicken
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You know normally I absolutely say that as an English speaker you should just go with the English were possible. In this case though, I don't mind the Japanese. To Love-Ru just sounds terribly awkward but Toraburu rolls off the tongue quite nicely.
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LuScr
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If the proposed English title had been anywhere close to what "Utawarerumono" actually means, I don't think we'd have fought those wars to begin with. |
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