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Kagemusha
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Hey, what's he supposed to write? That the story is good? It's smut for smuts sake, and he knows that. It's like saying "I only read Playboy for the articles." If your going to read/create porn you might as well be honest with yourself. |
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mistress_reebi
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Something other than giving the impression that the author is a pervert.
Just because there is nudity in a manga doesn't mean one has to write about how much they drooled over it. I admit 90% didn't offend me, but saying breasts, panties and butts, no matter how horrible the manga is, shouldn't be said as a pro. EDIT: forgot the quote brackets |
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Kagemusha
Posts: 2783 Location: Boston |
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...and that he wrote a line half-jokingly (and yes, it probobly was just a joke) about the fan-service in his manga makes him seem like a pervert more than the fact that he's devoted most of his proffesional career to drawing naked women? |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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If he said something was "quite pleasing to the eye" I highly doubt he ment it as a joke. There is a difference between an artist who draws nudity than writing a review on how excellent fan-service is. I know people who draw nude women aren't perverts. In art classes I had to draw nudity, does that make me a pervert? Saying the pros to an 18+ manga are the breasts, butts, and panties is very immature. He should have stopped listing pros after saying some humour if the manga was really that bad. EDIT: I suck at proof reading |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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Okay...I think fanservice is pointless. And I agree that the things he listed I wouldn't consider a 'pro'. But you have to realize something... He's reviewing a FANSERVICE manga. "breasts, butts and panties" are the reason the manga was created, "breasts, butts and panties" are the reason the manga will be bought. The only people that will be interested in buying the manga ARE perverts--thus, the pervy content would be a 'pro' in the review because, well, it's the only redeeming quality, (even though it's only redeeming to a certain group). I don't think the reviewer (which is what I"m assuming you mean when you say "author") is perverted himself--he's just pointing out that the fanservice is really the only reason the manga exists. If you're talking about the MANGA author...this isn't 'artistic nudity'. It's just smut. |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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Here is a perfect example:
The reader understands its a fanservice manga without reading immature remarks. I disagree with added breasts, butts and panties as the pros to a review, even if it is an 18+ manga for men. He could have said the art was great, but writing those things as pros gives the impression that women are sexual objects. I don't have a problem with men reading fanservice manga, but people don't need to add immature remarks about the nudity. Yes, girls are naked in this book, big deal. Grow up. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
Posts: 1617 Location: Colorado |
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The MANGA gives the impression that women are sexual objects. The review just reflects that. Having a problem with the review, but not with the manga itself, is rediculous, and I think your remarks come off as more immature than a sarcastic barb in the 'pros'. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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You have completely misinterpreted the remark in the review and are going way, way out of your way to be offended and condescending. |
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Richard J.
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I can see where mistress_reebi is coming from, the phrasing isn't politically correct, but it's not like this is an inappropriate forum for that sort of writing. This isn't like my high school orientation when the new principal launched into a "we're not going to have boobs, butts, or bellies showing" speech. (Fun principal. Students, parents, and even teachers joked about having to "Sieg Heil" her.) Carl Kimlinger isn't an authority figure (no offense) he's a reviewer offering an opinion which is extremely condescending to the material being reviewed. Even in listing the "pros" for this title, he has written it in such a way as to show that he doesn't feel it really has any pros. The entire review is negative, even when he points out ostensible positives, he does so in a negative way. He's not trying to dehumanize women or turn them into sex objects. He's saying that the title is completely and totally devoid of any content that can be taken seriously beyond the sexually attractive art and even that can't be taken seriously because it is handled in an overly fetishized manner and it's average at best. He's not trying to indoctrinate a new generation of male chauvinists for God's sake. It's pretty clear he didn't like this title and it's clear that part of that was the, as he put it, "doujinshi-ready stereotypes." |
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mistress_reebi
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I'm not complaining about the manga being degrating, I'm complaining that someone add would breasts, butts and panties as the pros to a review, even if the manga was really horrible and full of fanservice that isn't an excuse.
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Himalayus
 Posts: 27 Location: Oregon |
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Dead on. |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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I have asked my female friends about this and they have also found it to be offensive, so I'm not the only person. Even if it's something one is looking for the review clearly states that it has plenty of fanservice. |
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DeCloaked
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Well I do not see the whole problem to the review. The only thing, I think, that should have been said is that he does not like these types of books to begin with and perhaps someone that does, like these types of books, should have reviewed it. Other than that his review is fine.
The mention of butts, boobs and panties is necessary. That is what the book is about. As a matter of fact, generally if a manga or anime does not contain alot of boobs, butts and panties I am not interested. As a matter of fact the more excessive in the showing of boobs, butts and panties the better. I do not care or even want much of a story, most of the time. I do not need depth and character development (unless its the development of the female characters boobs or butt) in a story. Therefore I find it important that the reviewer bring such things up. Now I have seen part of vol. 1 of Battle Club and I would agree, with up to what I read, with the reviewer. Furthermore I liked it so much that I am ordering volumes 1-4. So perhaps once a get over my current laziness I will look up more titles this reviewer did not like cause I may find more titles that I do like. |
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