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Animegomaniac
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:26 pm
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EnigmaticSky wrote: | I'm not a big fan of the whole "magic as a science" thing. It seems like I would have the same nitpicks with Modern Magic as you. Fullmetal Alchemist established alchemy as a science very well, but that is one of few examples.
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The second series, that is. The first series went more along the "magic as super powers" route. Guess what super power Al had! Also, technically alchemy started off as a science. It became chemistry once peope stopped trying to what they wanted and studied what happened instead.
There is something a little off about how these Agreeables are parrotting along with Modern Magic Made Simple's review.
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Second, I think this series glorifies programmers as wizards. A lot of the spells are just programs. Even in the show they're called “scripts”. I'm not sure if how many Japanese anime otaku are programmers, but if it's a significant number, this is truly “fan service” of the highest order. Imagine if this were a series aimed at a demographic of accountants; the girls would probably do magic using math. |
Of all the complaints that can be had with the show {and I'm one of the few who's seen it and yes, it has many problems}, this isn't one of them. Magic using math, science, chemistry and even yes, cooking, it has been done in anime as well as other places. There's a reason for it.
It's called "knowledge" and one of the basic pillars of magic in Fantasy is that it comes from or can be gained with with time and study. Computer programming magic has also been used in Negima and Haruhi Suzumiya and it fits the basic tenant of Fantasy Magic, that is, outsiders have no idea how it works. "How does my computer do the things it does?" "It's magic. Now pay me for getting it running again." The Modern Shaman in action, no doubt.
It's the use of any explanation that bothers the reviewer, correct? What is magic anyway? A correct order of words {gestures, items}, once said in the right way and in the right place, causes things to happen that wouldn't ordinarily happen. But it's always something that someone has to learn to do. In this show, it's programming as well as the incantation version and there is no problem with that.
The Force from Star Wars? That's just Telekenisis and Telepathy so that was never mystical in my mind. And the real problem with the "midichlorians" wasn't their use as an explanation for super powers but rather parentage.
I'm not a fan of Star Wars, I'm just a fan of science.
As for Sekirei, I made it through six episdodes of the second season but my problem is more with the manga; After 160 chapters, it still has no idea of how to get where it's going so six episodes are hardly going to make a difference to the story. I liked that one big breasted sekirei so I watched up to the end of her bits. Which was a holdover from the first season.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:34 pm
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Animegomaniac wrote: | I liked that one big breasted sekirei so I watched up to the end of her bits. Which was a holdover from the first season. |
I'm sorry, could you please try to be less specific?
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:39 pm
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Midichlorians don't retcon The Force into science. They're simply creatures that are drawn to Force-sensitive people like moths to a flame (the flame being The Force.) Measuring midichlorians is like measuring how bright a light bulb is by the number of moths it attracts.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:44 pm
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Ojamajo LimePie wrote: | Midichlorians don't retcon The Force into science. They're simply creatures that are drawn to Force-sensitive people like moths to a flame (the flame being The Force.) Measuring midichlorians is like measuring how bright a light bulb is by the number of moths it attracts. |
Correct.
That doesn't make them not a really stupid idea though.
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Yttrbio
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:45 pm
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Surrender Artist wrote: | The Japanese seem to have, shall we say, creative interpretations of the shape and behavior of nipples and breasts generally. The behavior and shape seen in some anime seems to invite the creation of some new form of weirdly specialized non-euclidean geometry. |
If you had the freedom that comes with animation, why would you limit yourself to plausible boobs? Can you imagine if the creators of Total Recall said "Say, we're setting this movie where there are a bunch of mutants... but I think we'll limit the number of boobs per person to two"?
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Chagen46
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:57 pm
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Yttrbio wrote: | If you had the freedom that comes with animation, why would you limit yourself to plausible boobs? Can you imagine if the creators of Total Recall said "Say, we're setting this movie where there are a bunch of mutants... but I think we'll limit the number of boobs per person to two"? |
Because the point of characters with large boobs tends to be "be attractive", and part of the reason anime girls tend to be attractive is that they exhibit many of the characteristics of sexually attractive women without as many of the flaws (of course, I'd never spurn a real woman for a "waifu", but that's another show). Going TOO implausible kinda destroys this purpose unless you're trying to appeal to out-there fetishes.
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The Human Spider
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:04 pm
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Surrender Artist wrote: |
Freaky Nipples in Anime could be an ANN feature article, perhaps an over-eighteen subscriber exclusive for if they get desperate, or even a graduate thesis at the rate this is going. |
This article MUST be written. But realistic boobs(or any other realistically rendered body part) on an otherwise anime-style character design would probably look weirder. And otaku in general don't seem to like the more realistic character designs. Awesome SGT. FROG collection on this week's shelf--I'm so jealous. I loved the UTENA reissues too; they're my favorite DVDs from 2011.
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Surrender Artist
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:24 pm
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erinfinnegan wrote: |
Surrender Artist wrote: |
Freaky Nipples in Anime could be an ANN feature article, perhaps an over-eighteen subscriber exclusive for if they get desperate, or even a graduate thesis at the rate this is going. |
It could be the next Gia's List! Top Eight Freakiest Anime Nipples. |
Yes, but for fairness, the associated poll would have to be about the most awkward erections in anime. Unfortunately the only choices I can think of off hand are B Gata H Kei, Heaven's Lost Property and Junk Boy.
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Surrender Artist wrote: | The Japanese seem to have, shall we say, creative interpretations of the shape and behavior of nipples and breasts generally. The behavior and shape seen in some anime seems to invite the creation of some new form of weirdly specialized non-euclidean geometry. |
If you had the freedom that comes with animation, why would you limit yourself to plausible boobs? Can you imagine if the creators of Total Recall said "Say, we're setting this movie where there are a bunch of mutants... but I think we'll limit the number of boobs per person to two"? |
Well, I... decline to have this conversation.
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Polycell
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:28 pm
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Yttrbio wrote: | Can you imagine if the creators of Total Recall said "Say, we're setting this movie where there are a bunch of mutants... but I think we'll limit the number of boobs per person to two"? |
The world would be down one Douglas Adams reference.
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TJ_Kat
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:22 pm
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Quote: | I cosplayed as Sonoshee from Redline |
pics or it didn't happen.
(can you blame a guy for trying?)
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:33 pm
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Chagen46 wrote: |
Yttrbio wrote: | If you had the freedom that comes with animation, why would you limit yourself to plausible boobs? Can you imagine if the creators of Total Recall said "Say, we're setting this movie where there are a bunch of mutants... but I think we'll limit the number of boobs per person to two"? |
Because the point of characters with large boobs tends to be "be attractive", and part of the reason anime girls tend to be attractive is that they exhibit many of the characteristics of sexually attractive women without as many of the flaws (of course, I'd never spurn a real woman for a "waifu", but that's another show). Going TOO implausible kinda destroys this purpose unless you're trying to appeal to out-there fetishes. |
Well it's mainly because most Japanese woman are flat... "i can not watch any jav they are just to creepy even for me", but who really cares. They are just nipples for crying out loud... I have them if anyone cares to see i don't get the point in making an argument over them. Now I have seen my fair share of nasty h-doujins where the nipples looked like soda cans.. I don't even have words for that... maybe i should go to bed now lol
Edit:please disregard half of this post, I really should stop typing when I'm drunk.
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Mad_Scientist
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:34 am
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Ojamajo LimePie wrote: | Midichlorians don't retcon The Force into science. They're simply creatures that are drawn to Force-sensitive people like moths to a flame (the flame being The Force.) Measuring midichlorians is like measuring how bright a light bulb is by the number of moths it attracts. |
Except it's never been stated that without moths, the light bulb would not give off light. It was said that without midichlorians, people would have no knowledge of the force: the implication was that they weren't just attracted to force sensitive people, they were what created force sensitive people.
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Sailor S
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:50 am
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George Lucas should have left the Star Wars franchise alone. The novel writers had far surpassed him, and all his meddling did was force them to include his BS in their future novels. As long as he's not allowed to put his greasy mitts on Grand Admiral Thrawn, I'll be happy.
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Kimiko_0
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:00 am
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The extras on the Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex DVDs included interviews with several of the people who made the anime. One thing that's stuck with me is how someone commented that for one episode that focused on Togusa's wife, they asked the only guy on the team who was married to direct it, because he was the only one with experience with a woman's life. Seriously. There were apparently no women on the creative team, and only one of the men was in a long-term relationship with a woman.
If that situation is representative of anime creative teams, it is no surprise at all that breasts are drawn however the artists want to without regard to reality or physics.
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configspace
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:29 am
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erinfinnegan wrote: |
configspace wrote: | ahem, perky missile nipples can be found in real life too |
Man, I knew someone would say that. I don't know, they're really freaky. It's not like I haven't seen a variety of nipples in my day. I've never seen an areola raised at like, a 45 degree angle between the skin and the nipple in real life or in a photograph or video before. I considered grabbing a screencap of Sekirei to illustrate my point but decided it would be too incriminating. Likewise, if such nipple shapes do exist, and you send me a link to a photo, it's going to be NSFW. |
Safe Search: Off -> "puffy nipples" You're welcome.
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Freaky Nipples in Anime could be an ANN feature article, perhaps an over-eighteen subscriber exclusive for if they get desperate, or even a graduate thesis at the rate this is going. |
That would be Gia's best list yet! I'm surprised you thought of that. It had not even crossed my mind I sense great potential in your inner deviant comrade And no need to deprive highschoolers of this unique educational opportunity! (especially when the horny bastards can already buy the original materials themselves)
Media Blaster already has Queen's Blade and Ikkitousen+. All we need is for them to license Ladies vs Butlers, Qwaser 1,2 (inverted nipples yay), and Manyuu Hikenchou to complete the non-h encyclopedia for the list.
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