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Polycell
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 Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:12 am
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@mdo7: You really, really need to stop throwing around "Japan" to refer to different things - it just makes you look like an idiot. Yes, the anime industry has been targeting the domestic market, but that's simply where the money is; if that ever changes, the industry will change, too. All Cool Japan is is the State of Japan meddling with things in an idiotic attempt to deal with the flagging economy caused by its corporate welfare policies.
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jymmy
Joined: 11 Nov 2011
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:46 am
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That show was surprisingly good. Its anti-humour worked really well; the segments where they just let the voice actresses screw around was excellently chaotic. The gap between character and actor was played with cleverly by the dialogue running circles around the characters, who were stuck in their regular, scripted expressions and movements. The ending was also honestly the best out of the season's shows' - certainly the deepest. Even if it means the destruction of the world, a world with laughter is better than a static existence with nothing spontaneous or real.
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mdo7
Joined: 23 May 2007
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Location: Katy, Texas, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:23 am
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| Polycell wrote: | | @mdo7: You really, really need to stop throwing around "Japan" to refer to different things - it just makes you look like an idiot. Yes, the anime industry has been targeting the domestic market, but that's simply where the money is; if that ever changes, the industry will change, too. All Cool Japan is is the State of Japan meddling with things in an idiotic attempt to deal with the flagging economy caused by its corporate welfare policies. |
Well here's the problem, Japan's population decline has been getting worse. The local market could be hurt if the population decline continue. Japan's market can't stay in Japan forever, they have to start globalizing their product at some point. Also Japan is already losing to other countries like Korea, and Taiwan when it comes to pop culture (ie: music, dramas, products). I like to inform you there is more money Japan can make from outside of Japan rather then in Japan itself. Why do you think Japanese govt set up a committee to look into globalzing their product?
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Parse Error
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:07 pm
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| GATSU wrote: | | So you're saying the moetaku didn't take over the market |
Yes, and I already explained why that is.
| GATSU wrote: | | No, casual anime fans just want to watch something which actually has something to do with anime again |
It all has something to do with anime, it is anime. Was Urusei Yatsura an anime? Were Dash Kappei or Miyuki anime? Did they and so many others maybe count as anime back then, but after some expiration date arbitrarily chosen by you, those same genres and themes are no longer considered anime in your world?
It's not as though the interests of "casual anime fans" and otaku are always at odds, either. Madoka Magica was suitable for otaku tastes, yet managed to resonate with an audience far outside that demographic. For that matter, a substantial portion of the infamously otaku-pandering K-On are young women who bought guitars and joined light music clubs because of it. Does that make it anime, or does the lack of giant transforming robots still make it an insult to the artform?
| GATSU wrote: | | It is insane, but the middle-men don't care. |
Who are these mysterious middlemen, and how are they making a quick buck on those series that don't even break even? Whoever they are, they would make a much quicker and larger buck by producing a blockbuster instead. The problem is that ideas with such potential don't come along every day, and companies have to sell something to someone in order to pay the bills in the meantime.
| GATSU wrote: | | So, obviously, there's a disconnect between what the general anime public wants, and what it's forced to deal with |
Who's holding a gun to their head and forcing them to watch what basically amounts to an animated infomercial which airs at two o'clock in the morning? The "general anime public" would be better off pushing for more and better anime during normal hours where there are actual benefits from appealing to the masses.
| GATSU wrote: | | You're basically supporting my argument that the industry has intentionally colluded to shut out original content. |
Only in the same sense that the tire industry has "intentionally colluded" to make their product round instead of square or triangular.
| GATSU wrote: | | Except that now, you don't even have to have any animation experience or drive, you just let software come up with your "ideas" for you. |
So if somebody writes a novel on their computer, the word processing software came up with their ideas for them? Does a brush come up with a painter's ideas for them? These are merely tools that people can utilize in order to convert their ideas into actual content for others to experience. You say one doesn't have to have any drive in order to use those tools to solve their own problems, but if that's the case, then why don't they simply do so?
| jymmy wrote: | | That show was surprisingly good. |
I only checked out the first episode or maybe two and then decided I'd prefer to wait and marathon the rest sometime after it was finished. It sounds like I really need to get around to that soon.
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:34 pm
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Parse:
| Quote: | | It all has something to do with anime, it is anime. |
It's a f**king gimmick-like Pokemon-hence why it's not anime.
| Quote: | | Was Urusei Yatsura an anime? Were Dash Kappei or Miyuki anime? |
Yes, because they have actual stories, not transplanted infomercials.
| Quote: | | Madoka Magica was suitable for otaku tastes, yet managed to resonate with an audience far outside that demographic. |
No, it's just being promoted outside its demo, because the otaku have killed the general market.
| Quote: | | For that matter, a substantial portion of the infamously otaku-pandering K-On are young women who bought guitars and joined light music clubs because of it. Does that make it anime, or does the lack of giant transforming robots still make it an insult to the artform? |
You can buy guitars and join music clubs without giving a damn about the show. There are cosplayers who know nothing about the character they dress up as. Same deal.
| Quote: | | Who are these mysterious middlemen, |
Record companies, light novel publishers, merchants, committees, etc.
| Quote: | | and how are they making a quick buck on those series that don't even break even? |
They undercut the actual animators and treat them like disposable gophers?
| Quote: | | Whoever they are, they would make a much quicker and larger buck by producing a blockbuster instead. |
If they manufacture an audience, they can get easy money without having to go for any big hits.
| Quote: | | The problem is that ideas with such potential don't come along every day, and companies have to sell something to someone in order to pay the bills in the meantime. |
Fair enough, but that should not be all they're selling.
| Quote: | | Who's holding a gun to their head and forcing them to watch what basically amounts to an animated infomercial which airs at two o'clock in the morning? |
The fact that they have no say in what they want to see, even though they outnumber the otaku?
| Quote: | | The "general anime public" would be better off pushing for more and better anime during normal hours where there are actual benefits from appealing to the masses. |
Probably true, but
| Quote: | | Only in the same sense that the tire industry has "intentionally colluded" to make their product round instead of square or triangular. |
More like when the oil and auto industries colluded to marginalize electric cars.
| Quote: | | So if somebody writes a novel on their computer, the word processing software came up with their ideas for them? |
There's a difference between typing with common characters and recycling someone's pre-designed character.
| Quote: | | You say one doesn't have to have any drive in order to use those tools to solve their own problems, but if that's the case, then why don't they simply do so? |
Not sure what you're asking.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:07 pm
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