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Greed1914
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Not too surprising. They are from out of state with seemingly no reason to be there except to be at the tournament, so they would be considered a flight risk. Throw in that they traveled over several states with weapons in the trunk after making threats, and they come off as a risk to the public for bond setting purposes. Leaving the weapons in the trunk is probably the reason why they haven't been charged with anything more serious than the weapons charges right now, but for bond setting purposes, I doubt the judge was willing to risk that these guys didn't intend to hurt anyone. Why travel all that distance with illegal firearms and a bunch of ammunition if there wasn't a purpose behind it? They could have been scoping things out beforehand before they got violent.
They are from Iowa, not Missouri, and Iowa requires weapons permits. |
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drakenfyre75
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Between the drive from Iowa to Mass. I'm wondering how many of those states do have the law of needing a permit to carry a firearm, let alone to transport one over state lines.
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Key
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This was my thought, too. |
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Goober2049
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So they didn't have licenses for the weapons that were in their car. They posted several times about killing people at the tournament, but they totally weren't going to actually do it because they didn't bring the guns in with them the first time they entered?
That's a stretch, Mr. Defense Attorney. |
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Beltane70
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That's pretty naive to think that they weren't serious about carrying out their threats after traveling through several states with a car filled with weapons just because they entered the building unarmed. As others have said, they were probably just scoping the place out first before they went in carrying their weapons. |
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Alan45
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Given how many mass shootings we have had lately. Many with online threats. It would have been very negligent for either the event promoters or the police to not take this seriously. Since they took extensive actions in the direction of carrying out their threats, it would take a very naïve person to think that their "we didn't mean it" defense is valid. That is something only a defense attorney or a parent could really support.
It will be interesting to see how this goes. I expect they will be in jail for a half a year or more before they come to trial, unless they plea bargain. What surprises me is their apparently complete confidence that they would be let in in spite of the threats. |
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crosswithyou
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Because where they planned to carry out the deed makes a difference.  Didn't just just shoot themselves in the foot by admitting they were targeting someone?
They made threats, they had the weapons. They were probably scoping out the venue before making their move. Quite an uphill battle for the defense, I'd say. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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I would go so far to say that the chance of the defense beating these charges is so astronomical, it may very well be nonexistent. |
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enurtsol
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What I've learned over the years in the courts though is that........... there's no such thing as a slam dunk. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Not even that, considering the Boston marathon bombings were...last year, were they?
I'm not. They probably thought that no one important would know about those threats or that they wouldn't take them seriously. Someone who would make death threats to people who wronged them in minor ways and bring those weapons across several states indicates that someone is 1) A risk taker, 2) Boldly confident, 3) Has a large ego, and 4) Is crazy. Hence, I don't think it's that much of a stretch that they thought they could go anywhere and do anything they wanted. |
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Charagon
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It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Same goes for everybody in this thread that has strung together the words "they were probably." It's possible that they were planning to shoot up the convention center. It's equally, if not more likely, that the self-admitted gun enthusiasts were taking the opportunity of their road trip to visit shooting ranges. It's possible that they intended to carry out the threats they made on the Internet. It's also possible that they, like every other dumb redneck with a barely functional grasp of social etiquette, were just incredibly stupid about what they posted. Any prosecutor trying to prove the intent of these guys has a goddamn mountain to climb, which is why they haven't even been charged for the threats yet. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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@Charagon
Yes, if the men were tried with only their alleged online threats being used as evidence, the defense wouldn't have that hard of a time winning against the charge of making death threats. However, they still face an uphill battle concerning the weapons charges. |
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