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GAME: Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite

It's a shame Infinite is destined to fail and quite possibly sink this franchise into oblivion: gameplay-wise it's actually the best capcom fighting game in a decade and a blast. But what they did with the roster, DLC plans and lack of content is imo a lot worse than a mediocre art style.

(apologies, got your username wrong) It could be one of several things; 1) you're doing the motion too slowly, 2) you're not completing the qcf motion properly, 3) you're pressing the attack button too early or 4), you're pressing the attack button too late. Without your input display, it's difficult to point out exactly where the issue is.

I'd also be interested to know what your team was in UMVC3.

Souther wrote:

(apologies, got your username wrong) It could be one of several things; 1) you're doing the motion too slowly, 2) you're not completing the qcf motion properly, 3) you're pressing the attack button too early or 4), you're pressing the attack button too late. Without your input display, it's difficult to point out exactly where the issue is. I'd also be interested to know what your team was in UMVC3.

Interesting. I figured there had to be many reasons.

I primarily used Random, Random, and Random. This is what I do for all video games I play where I'm given a choice of characters, civilizations, vehicles, weapons, etc. I know this is not the optimum way to do things, but I get bored easily if I have to main something. That's why I said that if it's something required to be decent at the game, then it won't be for me. I can only hear the same voice clips, sound effects, and music for so long before it drives me crazy. (I've played many other games at an above-average to expert level without a main, which is why I find it curious that 2-D fighting games alone are a brick wall, barring Smash Bros., a series I CAN play at an above-average level without a main.)

I primarily used Random, Random, and Random. This is what I do for all video games I play where I'm given a choice of characters, civilizations, vehicles, weapons, etc. I know this is not the optimum way to do things, but I get bored easily if I have to main something.

Edit: I realized how off topic I went. The reason I say pick a different game is because there are many other games in which the effort-level to achieve the same kind of damage/effect/steamroll between a B Tier and an S tier is significantly narrower than in many of Capcom's games.

I CAN do quarter circle and half-circle movements, but any attempt to do something more complicated than that gets misinterpreted by the game I'm playing. (All dragon punches are interpreted as quarter-circles, for instance.) As other people don't seem to have that problem, I'm pretty sure it's because I'm doing something incorrectly without knowing what it is I'm doing wrong. (Maybe I'm too slow, or too quick, or covering too wide or too narrow of a range of motion, or something else I haven't thought of. It's the sort of thing that requires someone with a lot of patience watching over my shoulder.)

I tend towards tournament footage because I see a lot of different people playing, so I see a lot of different characters, playstyles, and other traits that would differ greatly.

I dislike maining as I quickly get bored of using the same character too much

I'm going to go on a limb and say it's probably a better idea to play a different fighting game. Admittedly I haven't checked out Infinite yet, but outside of SFV, my experience with Capcom has been that their character balancing is skewed and all over the place, the primary issue being with HP values showing an incredibly high variance across the roster combined with equally high damage variance to "even out" the weaker but speedier characters.

It might be my bias speaking but it usually feels like the performance between each tier (historically) is so massive to the point where if you pick B tiers or below, you find yourself working far too hard to match the minimal effort of learning the BnBs of an A Tier and rolling fights.

The tradeoff is that other games don't quite have the large playerbase that a capcom game pulls in. Also, at some point you'd probably have to learn the Raging Storm pretzel twist....

Edit: I realized how off topic I went. The reason I say pick a different game is because there are many other games in which the effort-level to achieve the same kind of damage/effect/steamroll between a B Tier and an S tier is significantly narrower than in many of Capcom's games.

Yeah, I think you're personally better off just gathering a bunch of mates and playing offline. If you want to stand a chance against other players online at fighting games in general, not just 2-D fighting games, at the very least, you're going to have to stick with a character and become knowledgeable about the mechanics of the game. Even before, that, you have to learn how to execute basic things like special moves.

Smash's execution, at a basic level, is far more accommodating than games like, say, and I guess that's why you're able to at least feel competitive (and even then, Smash is difficult to play at a proper competitive level). There are also things in 2-D fighting games that aren't present in Smash that you have to be aware of.

I suppose I'll throw in what I think about this whole idea about "casual" and "hardcore" players. People who aren't serious about fighting games at least want to feel competitive (even if they aren't) and have some fun. Including a bunch of fun offline modes/single-player content for them to play and slowly get accustomed to the game's mechanics could help. Maybe in some manner, they can weave tutorials/objectives into this single-player content that teaches players as they go along.

You don't really have to create an expensive story mode either, stuff like Dramatic Battle or World Tour (Alpha 3), things like Tekken 3's many modes, Quest Mode (Virtua Fighter 4/5) or the Krypt or Planets and gear collection (MK9 and Injustice 2 respectively) will do. Then, if they're feeling good, they can try online. Even if they get mollywhopped, they've got something else to come back to. But what happens is, there's only arcade/story mode to do(or mission combos that aren't useful or way too hard for the average player to complete), and after completing that, most players just hop on online without really learning anything, get killed by better players and drop the game.

On the other hand, while there are a number of ways companies could give the starting player a headstart, there's only so much they can do to help people improve further in fighting games. Ultimately, it's in the player's hands to acquire the mentality and the desire to improve and gain knowledge in fighting games. That will mean going to outside resources like sites/forums or joining online/local communities for information/mentors/sparring partners, looking up videos, articles, etc., there's a lot to learn (which is why IMO it's imperative for communities, online and off, to provide a good atmosphere to play and learn). And as EnigmaticSky suggested, if you don't find a game fun, all the tutorials in the world are unlikely to help.

I'm not sure what advice to give on this. Unless you are a jack of all trades, there's no way that you can use and master every single character in a fighting game in advance play. Not even pros can. Each character in a game has different methods of playing and variety. So if you use someone like say, Bedman from Guilty Gear, he would not play the same as someone like I-no or Jack-o. There's too many gameplay options, motions, etc. for the average person. That's not including memorizing frame rate data.

That's why I (and some other people) suggest the whole get 2 mains at the least and a sub. This way you can cover a variety of gameplay styles and methods of attack. Sure tiers kind of matter but it all boils down to gameplay and how trained you are with said character. Even bottom tier characters can beat top tier characters if you are good enough and know how to counter them.

Good luck.

@leafy sea dragon: At least you figured out what you want to do without anyone pressuring you. Your fun comes first to things like this.

If you need any advice just ask.