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pawnsacrifice
 Posts: 18 Location: Ohio |
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Whenever I see things like this, I have to shake my head. I work at a library, and we also have a "No Censorship" policy. Our job at the library is provide the public with information and media that can be used for recreation or education. We are not responsible for what you check out because we do not endorse censorship.
On the other hand, I can see why the parent would be upset. However, he is the one who is responsible for what his child checks out. That's why a parent has to sign for a library card. My library system has a form a parent can fill out requesting that their child be limited to certain items. For example, they could be restricted to only children's items. This comes up as a block on the card, so that when we check items out on the card, we are aware and in our right to deny access to the materials. I'm pretty sure most libraries have this option, which is what the father should be doing instead of consulting with a lawyer. And for those who are confused about "adult" material: Adult just means it's in the Adult Collection, at least in my system. The items in the adult collection could have actual adult content in it, such as sexual situations, but it can also contain items such as Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. As you can see, adult doesn't necessarily mean the book has sexual situations. It's just a collection of books that are appropriate for that group. |
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fighterholic
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In a way, the ratings work in places where the "rules" centered around them are applied and followed. There is no straight rating system, because all of the publishers pretty much have their own system for rating their releases. At times, the ratings only work like the parental advisory sticker. It doesn't prevent minors from purchasing the CD, but it sure gets parents upset when they find it. |
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braves
 Posts: 2309 Location: Puerto Rico (but living in Texas) |
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Well, Mr. Foreigner, in America....  
Seriously, 1) He's not suing the library, he's discussing it with an attorney. He probably won't go anywhere with it. 2) Are you seriously saying that in your country you let your 12 year old read soft-core (even more "hard core" stuff with Ikki Tousen) porn material? I wanna go there.
Er, what? The only people that were ticked off with Uncle Tom's Cabin were slaveholders, because it was clearly against the Fugitive Slave Act and slavery in general. |
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angieness
Posts: 162 Location: Columbus, OH |
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But manga is rated http://xs130.xs.to/xs130/08344/mangaratings738.jpg I don't know what process goes into rating them but the ratings are there so it's not like no one would have known the content was for older readers. I have seen people get turned away at Waldenbooks and FYE for trying to buy mature content when they weren't of age. And actually policies are greatly influenced by the possibility of being sued. At my job I'm not allowed to touch anyone I suspect of shop lifting or I will be fired because the shop lifter can sue the company for "hurting them". Last edited by angieness on Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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I also have my doubts about whether he would actually go through and sue the library. Since he's discussing the situation with an attorney, it's probably going to be along the lines of what they might have against the library, what they wouldn't, and the trouble they would go through to actually make this work. But his likelihood of winning will probably be not that high. It's not worth it. Discuss the issue with library officials like civilized human beings. Not a rampage.
Heck, when I was 12, my parents wouldn't let me read Case Closed because she discovered the nature of it, and anything that was offensive she would ban from the house. I could have only absolutely kid friendly comics in the house, nothing that would be violent or sexually suggestive. |
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avarince
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ok as a person the lives in Portland I have to say a few thing about this.
that the library is a place that is swarmed by kids after they get off school on there way home most of the people that work there are very poorly paid and do not have time to be babysitters. also there is normally a very liberal attitude toward personal freedoms in this area and in the state as a hole. but I guess its not the kids fault heaven forbid he adult mans up and says it was a fault of there parenting. what the hell every happened to personal responsibility my parents would of not given a crap but if they did you bet my but would of been the first to find out... article sited for reference http://www.kptv.com/education/17232233/detail.html |
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Chiaki777
 Posts: 65 Location: Bay Area, California |
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Next thing you know parents will be getting angry over kids checking out books that have any adult content in them, oh wai........
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Mylene
 Posts: 2792 Location: Indiana |
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Thanks for someone finally pointing this out. To make it even clearer, the "Adult Section" is the place for "grown ups". Like "Juvenile" are books for kids, and the "Young Adult" section is generally for teens. The "Adult Section" would house everything from Danielle Steel to Terry Pratchett (generally in a sub-section of sci-fi/fantasy) to Alice Sebold to the classics, and often the non-fiction area (there is often a juvenile non-fiction and adult non-fiction section). Adult doesn't always mean XXX. ^_- |
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fighterholic
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Excellent point. At Book Off where I work, we have three main categorizations for manga. Shonen, shojo, and otana (adult). Shonen and Shojo I don't have to explain, but Otona refers to all manga that are not shonen/shojo titles. And this category far outdoes shonen and shojo in numbers. XXX only applies to not even 10% of the adult titles that we have in our store. |
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Kyogissun
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...Both parties are at fault.
The library for letting a kid check out a book with mature content (Seriously people, come on, let's be serious. They can't monitor their browsing but whoever let the kid check it out needs to be fired.) and the parent for overreacting. While parents should stop trying to blame everything else, I think comparing this situation to something like Farenheit 451 is idiotic. That's not the issue here... And sorry but a 12 year old doesn't need to be reading that because there's no way he gets half of the stuff going on... Unless he's one of those over-exposed people. I doubt the dude will get anywhere with his lawsuit but so he didn't get on the whole thing until now.... Hell, I didn't complete Love Hina until I was 14 and that wasn't because of the sexual content, but because I wasn't getting most of the material going on. I branched out, read other manga, came back to it after the volumes were more available and that's that. And you guys should chill out. How do YOU know that the kid wasn't hiding it from the parent cause he KNEW he'd get in trouble and then potentially fakes it? If kids can blame a video game for their stupidity, I don't see why they wouldn't blame a book. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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If by being held accountable you mean being sued, then no, I think your right. Should the parent have kept a better eye on his son, of course. Should the library not have allowed a kid to check out a graphic book with no parent in sight, again the answer is yes. In a better world the right thing to do would have the library apologize to the man. Of course in our craptastic lawyer driven society that would never happen because admitting any wrongdoing only invites lawsuits and vultures. Which is so over the top it drives many of the silliest rules we now have today. Should the library be accountable, yes I think they should. Is there anyway for them to be accountable without getting sued, no I don't think so. Should they get sued, no not really. Therefore they aren't accountable. Crazy. Last edited by Dargonxtc on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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RayV
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Wait till the father finds out his son has checked out the 'Joy of Sex' last month.
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tsukikage
 Posts: 68 Location: Champaign, IL |
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Maybe I'll change my mind when I have my own kids, but I've figured that if a kid is old enough to want to read something, they're old enough to read it. Not to say neccesarily that they're *mature* enough, but hey, if the kid wants to watch a horror movie, let them deal with the nightmares. Now, I wouldn't apply this to, say, illegal drugs, and I suppose for those who believe in hell porn can be considered similar, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that from my perspective no-one's at fault. The library shouldn't have to censor the books, and the father shouldn't be chaperoning his kid to the library to make sure he doesn't get any "naughty books". However, I wouldn't put up a fuss if the library decided to only allow adults into the "adult section".
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BebopMstr
Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA |
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Faceman, did you perhaps mean Michelangelo's David? 
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fmagrave
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You seem to have missed a previous statement that clarified that the "adult section" is NOT a euphemism for the "porn section." The adult section is merely a title that describes books that are at the reading level/content level of adults. By barring the kid from the adult section would mean turning him away from various English Classics and mature narratives that epitomize the beauty of the written medium. |
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