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NEWS: International Anime Distribution attempts to legalize fansubs


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Zeiram



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:26 pm Reply with quote
daaaang!!!

this will rewrite the entire industries! o.o what does this mean?

i still say its should be a rule in the fansubbing community to purposely over compress and 'crapify' their releases so they don't compete and so people with bad connections can get em faster
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Advent_Nebula



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:33 pm Reply with quote
I knew this would happen in due time.
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Trium Shockwave



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:56 pm Reply with quote
I wouldn't be opposed to paying a modest fee to have anime episodes current with Japan. However, if I'm going to pay for something, it needs to be pristine. Even the best fansub encodes pale in comparison to your average DVD, especially when displayed on a television, and especially in dark scenes where macroblocking becomes nightmarish. If they can work out a way to do that (h.264?), I'd be all about it. I just don't want to buy twice, once for fast, and again for a DVD that actually looks nice. Using a container that supports embedded soft subs would be appreciated as well, for those of us who are actually learning the language. And no DRM, so help me. I will not buy anything with DRM on it.
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dmanjdb



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:03 pm Reply with quote
Why fix something that ain't broken???
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Fronzel



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:14 pm Reply with quote
dmanjdb wrote:
Why fix something that ain't broken???

So they can make some money where they didn't before?
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ChichiriMuyo



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Frankly I think it's a great idea. While I'm sure free fansubs will still be readily available I wouldn't mind paying something to get anime... I just don't like to pay the price of many DVDs. My standards for quality aren't exactly high, so it's not worth it for me to pay that much more for the DVD if I can get it sooner and cheaper on the net.
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minakichan





PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:29 pm Reply with quote
This.is.brilliant.

I've actually had this idea for a while: to buy anime licenses and distribute over the net, and I was hoping to pursue it once I got out of college, but looks like someone's beat me to it. -_-

If IAD can get decent shows, I'm definitely buying from them. I will admit that I do get fansubs, but if IAD makes it this easy to be legal, it's a complete no-brainer. I hope the Japanese companies can accept this.

I hope they can do kinda like iTunes does with slightly cheaper prices and gift cards and the like. What do y'all think is a good price-per-episode? I'd say maybe $2.49? (Taking into consideration that a DVD is around $25, about 5 episodes per disc with two language tracks + extras would bring one extraless subbed ep to maybe $3.00, then subtract a little just for a cheaper price a la iTunes, because there isn't any collectors' value)
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Phantom14



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:34 pm Reply with quote
The thing is, why am I gonna pay for something twice. The cost of anime dvds is hard as it is on many fans. Collecting anime is not cheap.
I know that some some fan subbers will go for this, (there is money to be made) but some just do it becuse they want to.
If some subbers wanted money, they can work for the actual anime industry here in america.
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The_Dominion



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:40 pm Reply with quote
I don't think you guys see the big ugly picture here. Why would anyone want to buy the DVDs released here stateside, when you already own the legal copy, and have done your part to support anime creation in Japan. Assuming this takes off, and I have strong doubts against that happening, it could potentially kill liscensors here stateside.
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Isaaru



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:41 pm Reply with quote
i say bad idea. Keep fansubs free.

Competition between fansubbers would be the start of the problem.

Fansubs done for love of the show would be up against a new breed doing this for profit...in which case for all we know the fansubbers may not give a damn about the said anime.

Licensed companies would have a problem with a green light that okays people to watch the show before they even license it. There would have to be some agreement to lisence the show immediatly. Another company profiting from an unliscensed anime before a licensed company could mean a serious effect to the asking price of anime sold from Japan to the US licensors.

Would fansubbers get a chunk of the transaction per download or would they get paid one large lump sum? And even more important would they have to pay the original studio for taking their work and making that profit?

And what if the company that licesnes decides to do fansubbing? Or a fansub organization decides to go into liscensing the said anime as a result (can that even happen if Japanese studios agree to cooperate with fansubbers)?


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Grico



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:44 pm Reply with quote
It's a good idea but its vaporware until we see any shows actually getting licensed. It's hard for me to believe that they can get licenses cheap enough that they can sell them at a reasonable price consumers would pay and make a profit. Also for this to really work to give US buyers new anime as it comes out in Japan (as they seem to suggest is the goal) Japanese companies would need to give this company the anime before it airs in Japan to prepare it, something that we aren't seeing being really done at all with the current American companies that actually have track records and release dvds. One potential area i could see something like this working is with C level series that are too small to be brought over and released on dvd but this lower over head method with more of a commission basis could make it worth an experiment. It has potential but don't get your hopes too up it will actually go anywhere....
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:54 pm Reply with quote
The_Dominion wrote:
Why would anyone want to buy the DVDs released here stateside, when you already own the legal copy, and have done your part to support anime creation in Japan.


I'll still buy DVDs. I don't particularly care for watching cartoons on my computer and I doubt I'll be buying anything that will let me watch stuff straight from the Internet on my old-fashioned CRT television for years.

Maybe when I upgrade to HDTV... which won't likely be this decade.
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Akukaze



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:55 pm Reply with quote
I'm going to wait to hear more from this "IAD", and what exactly their plans are before I formulate a solid opinion about this. Fansubs aren't going to reach out to new fans, and if this goes through, it may be the end of all other forms of legal anime distribution stateside. However, if they handle this properly and don't try to monopolize the market, this may end up being very much a good thing.

Is there any idea about who the hell these people are? Are they a bunch of college kids who're talking a little too soon? Are they from US distribution companies looking to branch out? It all seems a little unfeasable, in my opinion, that they woulkd be "just fans" and actually have a chance it getting this to work.
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:04 pm Reply with quote
Also, I doubt Internet distribution of video will ever kill off the DVD market (and BluRay or whichever HD-DVD format becomes the standard, and whatever follows BluRay, and so on) entirely, because a great many people have a collector's instinct and would rather own physical copies of movies, music, and TV series that they can hold in their hands rather than just a legally-downloaded specific sequence of magnetic impulses that they have on some harddisk somewhere.
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TMBounty_Hunter



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:08 pm Reply with quote
about damn time someone made an effort like this
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