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Kurohei
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A wise man once said "Crazy will always be crazy, regardless of whether or not crazy plays Doom, or Quack, or Pikmon, or whatever. I played all of that stuff back in the day, and I never shot anybody" Obama, you're wasting you time.
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Pokenatic
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From the HB0157I bill:
"the term 'violent video game' means a video or computer game that has received a rating from the Entertainment Software Rating Board of Teen, Mature, or Adult Only." And yet the first game that came to mind was Atelier Totori. Please tell me that part was abbreviated. |
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Nocturne123
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Complete and utter BS. This whole thing is just people trying to push an agenda.
They say violent media, yet the specifically mention games and propose taxes on them? So this doesnt apply to movies, books, or any other medium? Why not tax those, or ban them? Oh thats right, Hollywood is so deep in the governments pockets, they would never raise a hand. Which they shouldnt anyways because it's stupid. People can be influenced by ANYTHING. If this stuff was such a huge epidemic, people would be out shooting each other over every day conversation on a more frequent basis. Secondly, what about alcohol? How many people get killed because of drunk driving, domestic abuse, rape. Yet no one is over here doing one thing about that. Hence why it's all a game to politicians. People are horrible to each other every day of the week with no regard for themselves because of the attitude of our society today. If people arent getting something to benefit themselves, most people don't care. That's the problem, not violent media. Essentially it's a government trying to suppress free speech, expression, and pretty much make people pawns. It's quite sad. EDIT: And that's the other problem. The politicians have no idea what the games are like. They think every game is Call of Duty. It's a bunch of ignorant people who act like games are only for children and those people are either stuck in their parents basements or are immature and a waste of space being thirty and still playing games. Im tired of this elitist societal attitude where people who are wastes of space act like they are the second coming. It really needs to stop. |
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Kougeru
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100% Nocturne
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walw6pK4Alo
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Watch Elephant. The film has a fatal flaw in its connection to video games, though it could be on purpose. spoiler[The game the killers play isn't based off of anything real or marketable, and certainly not Doom. And the film itself employs long steadycam shots, tracking characters through halls, to turn the killers essentially into video game characters.] Violent people, and those with mental conditions, do not become killers because video games and movies exist. I would believe kids imitating wrasslin moves is much more dangerous than playing Cawa Dooty.
This whole exercise confounds me. I get parents and older people buy violent games for kids, but you still have to be an adult to purchase an M-rated game, correct? So adults are duly punished. |
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Ian K
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Guys, guys, guys. This is a good thing. At least, the President's push for more research is. We simply don't have enough solid data to be able to tell what effect, if any, violence in media has on people (despite many studies on the subject). What info we have suggests that there is little connection between violence in media and violence in real life, but there are so many contradictory studies people can argue for whatever they want and claim 'science' supports their position.
With more good data, we can hopefully take whatever action needs to be taken, tell the partisans to shut up, and get back to playing games and watching anime. |
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One-Eye
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This is just cover and a distraction from the real issues. I've seen articles in the Wall Street Journal blaming gun violence on the liberal culture from the 1960s, to pretending that gun violence is only perpetrated by people with mental illness and now this nonsense which blames media and video games. You are always going to have violent people and they can range from jealous husbands, to road rage, to criminals, etc. The difference is that military style weapons with larger clips allow for broader swaths of destruction.
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joshjoshlol
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Sacrifice the 1st amendment to save the 2nd.
Sacrifice the 2nd amendment to save the 1st. It amazes me that people can play these balancing games of what is right or wrong for us to have or experience or enjoy the freedoms of because it suits their needs. Anyone who trumpets the importance of protecting games and media but emphatically supports punishing gun makers and owners is as much a fecal smear upon the written intent of the forefathers as the gun nuts who looked for a quick pixelated scapegoat that they can hide behind. We won't progress by taking away rights (just ask our entire sub-society of pariahs that languish in poverty and obscurity due to draconian felony laws placed against victimless crime perpetrators) but we will be better off if we do everything we can to help the lowest and most unsafe of us before they hurt themselves or others. |
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Nocturne123
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The problem is, you are getting a study funded by a group that already believes that violent games/media is guilty of what happened. It wont be a fair study, someone will be put in there to give them the answer they want to hear. Oh yeah guys, did you hear about that new game? You crush bodies and organs, incinerate people with flames, do drugs to make yourself feel big, and go around vandalizing property. It's called Super Mario Brothers. It's very easy to twist something into something it isn't. Especially when people don't want to deal with the main issue, which is with a society that doesn't have an ounce of compassion. Not because of violent media, but because people don't take the time to raise their children properly, learn the value of working for something and actually feeling like you earned it, and just treating people in general with respect. |
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SuperVegetto
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It's pretty simple actually,
there have to be a number of literature and other media that teaches truth or philosophy the government does not want people to know, so they use "it makes them violent" as an excuse |
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configspace
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There have been many studies already absolutely disproving that violent media causes people to become violent. Besides, it's pretty obvious there's no causal relationship. If there were, we'd be seeing killings left and right. To say that there is a "the science of this epidemic of violence" (which is ironic considering how violent crime has declined and continues to decline) is to deny that we have free will, and that individuals are ultimately responsible. Remember that science, like the physical sciences, involves prediction, as in discovering the laws of the universe or natural world and forming a predictive model. You aren't going to ever get that when you are dealing with individuals decisions,.. unless you are claiming we are nothing but robots and the cause of violent acts is the necessary consequence of some particular stimuli, much like how supplying some input into a function or machine yields a predictable output. But since that is obviously not the case, then this "scientific" study is a bad thing, since it inherently cannot be what is claims to be |
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CrowLia
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Oh, that's definitely the way to go, Mr. Obama. It is crystal clear that violence is to be blamed on videogames, not on shitty parenting, bullying, financial crisis, corrupt police officers and politicians spoiler[(Operation Fast and Furious)], or how easy it is for any unstable freak to buy a dozen guns
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Hawkwing
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Oh come on, how many gamers are there in the world and how many of those gamers have actually killed someone?
No, Call of Duty and Battlefield doesn't count. Edit: For 10 million dollars they've could've invested in more important areas, such as healthcare or education. 
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dragonrider_cody
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Why are Republicans always against taxes, until they are on something they don't like, like video games?
As for research and study, that's actually not a bad idea. The government use to routinely study violent crimes, guns, etc, but funding has been mostly cut over the past decade. Though, most private studies have indicated there is no link between violent media and violent crime. However, some of those private studies were paid for industry groups, so you always have to question their validity. |
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Divineking
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I think it's worth noting that when this study got announced yesterday he actually said that for the most most part how kids consume media should be left up to parents so this is clearly just a way to shut up lazy parents looking for something to blame. Don't think it's worth spending that much money on though but eh. Considering the usual blame game that goes on with politics and video games we got off fairly easy this time.
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