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dormcat
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Hector Malot, the author of Sans Famille (later adapted into "家なき子") was born on May 20, 1830. However the system does not allow date before 1900. Can it be solved?
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abunai
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Same thing for Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain), Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll), and probably others. Cervantes? Victor Hugo? Dumas?
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dormcat
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Basically all works adapted from classics like World Masterpiece Theater and Sekai Meisaku Douwa (World Children's Classics) series have their original creators born in 19th century.
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Dan42
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Well, in this case maybe the problem is that such people shouldn't be entered as staff. There's a reason you can't input a date lower than 1900: the first anime listed in the Encyclopedia is Fushigina Daiko (movie) made in 1957... so it's pretty unlikely that someone born before 1900 ever worked on the production of an anime. It's rather misleading to enter Hector Malot as a staff member of "Sans Famille", no? I need to add a "Based on" information for these cases.
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dormcat
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Thanks a lot, Dan. In the mean time I'll enter those info in Trivia; let us know when you've finished adding this feature and I'll be more than happy to add additional information about original creators of those classics.
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abunai
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I don't know that I agree with this - as I see it, "staff" is anyone who contributed to the anime without being "cast". After all, we presently list a mangaka who created the manga on which an anime is based, as "staff" - even though that mangaka may have had nothing whatsoever to do with the production.
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dormcat
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Ahh, abunai, you were faster and beated me in this point of view.
After I posted my last paragraph, examples like Astro Boy [2003] came into my mind. For most manga-adapted anime, the production team would have consulted the manga-ka during production stage (at very least they have to discuss copyright issues). However, those remakes (e.g. Astro Boy [2003]) were produced after the original creator passed away. Yet not listing Osamu Tezuka as the original creator is simply not right (like all Star Trek TV or movies has "Based on the Star Trek universe created by Gene Roddenberry" in credits). EDIT: Just found the (likely) oldest Original Creator: Murasaki Shikibu (紫式部, 973(?)-1016(?)), who wrote the great novel Genji Monogatari (源氏物語), adapted into manga (#3891) and anime (#3270 and #1047). Last edited by dormcat on Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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abunai
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I disagree - one of the reasons that you enter all data, or as much as possible, is that it allows for later cross-indexing. Let's say that you later want to create a list of all the anime to which her classic has contributed - for serious research purposes. That's going to be difficult, if you've decided beforehand that she's irrelevant. This is one reason why knowledge bases should be inclusive rather than exclusive, when it comes to adding data. Meanwhile, I've come across a German voice actor (Erik JELDE, two credits for anime dubbing into German), born in 1894... - abunai |
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dormcat
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Ah, you resurrected this old thread after seeing quincyarcher's question, right?
I'm persuaded and I take back my comment. What I'm curious about is how many users other than us regard ANN as a source of serious research material in addition to its entertainment value? |
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abunai
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You see right through me.
Judging by the lack of quality control and self-restraint exercised by some of the people entering data, not many. Honestly, some of the ordure I see in the database.... 
But, to me (and you), any database is potentially a research tool, if the data in it is entered with competent and serious respect for its value as a source of information. Or, failing that, if hardworking and dedicated staffers spend five times as much effort cleaning up the mess as it took to make it in the first place. -abunai |
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radicaledward
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It depends on how the database it set up - if this site is running MySQL (which IIRC phpBB does) then unless you are using four digit years you are going to have problems with values returned by the database - more detail about that can be found in the MySQL Date & Time Types manual
However, it is just returning an error message because the year is less than 1900 and the system is using four digit years then the system administrators should be able to just get into the script and update the error checking to accommodate years less than 1900. |
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dormcat
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I have no knowledge on MySQL programming, but at the buttom of Release page, it's obvious that the database uses 2012-12-12 as "NULL" date. Does this provide any info to you, radicaledward?
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10421 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Bad assumption. I just put that in myself. |
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dormcat
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 My bad.
So, technically speaking, is it possible to lift the date restriction or not? If it's technically feasible, should we (IMHO we should)? |
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radicaledward
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