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HeeroTX
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:24 pm
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Personally, I think the excessive merchandising seems like the logical next step of corporations pitching to fans who for the last several years have stopped buying discs and been proclaiming the merits of the merchandise purchases as industry support. I'm not saying that is an incorrect notion, but for the companies, if they can't sell you discs, then they're gonna see what they CAN sell you.
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Yamato-san
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:31 pm
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HeeroTX wrote: | Personally, I think the excessive merchandising seems like the logical next step of corporations pitching to fans who for the last several years have stopped buying discs and been proclaiming the merits of the merchandise purchases as industry support. I'm not saying that is an incorrect notion, but for the companies, if they can't sell you discs, then they're gonna see what they CAN sell you. |
I don't think this would be quite as much of a problem if companies weren't selling discs at such rip-off prices (in Japan at least, though Aniplex USA certainly seems to be imitating that model).... though, I heard someone on Sankaku Complex mention that Japan actually did experiment with selling them cheaper at one point but never got a higher consumer turn-out from it (that person never gave a source nor any further details on this, so I can't be too sure that was actually the case). At any rate, I'm probably not one to talk on the subject: in the midst of Madoka's localization, I went and imported the Japanese limited edition BDs myself... partially because I wanted the soundtracks that came with them (dat Kajiura), but I was also interested in owning a Japanese set, prices be damned, at least once (and I figured this series, being my recent favorite, was the perfect choice for that).
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Fencedude5609
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:33 pm
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Yamato-san wrote: |
I don't think this would be quite as much of a problem if companies weren't selling discs at such rip-off prices (in Japan at least, though Aniplex USA certainly seems to be imitating that model).... though, I heard someone on Sankaku Complex mention that Japan actually did experiment with selling them cheaper at one point but never got a higher consumer turn-out from it (that person never gave a source nor any further details on this, so I can't be too sure that was actually the case). At any rate, I'm probably not one to talk on the subject: in the midst of Madoka's localization, I went and imported the Japanese limited edition BDs. |
As a tip, Sankaku Complex is a very bad place to go for actual information.
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SpacemanHardy
Joined: 03 Jan 2012
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:42 pm
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People who refer to Madoka Magica as "Dokes" have small and insignificant genitalia.
That is all.
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maximilianjenus
Joined: 29 Apr 2013
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:02 pm
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Chagen46 wrote: | I personally don't see a problem with merchandising as long as the original work remains good.
Now, if they try to drag Madoka out endlessly, that's a problem, but why would they? EVA is still crazy strong and only had one movie and a series of recap movies. They could make only, say, another movie/season of Madoka and I guarantee that 15 years later they'd still be making merch.
I don't see Madoka becoming a franchise zombie or anything similar. |
you mention eva, but whenever magica quartet talks about the franchise they mention gundam, so if anything expect madoka to turn into gundam, not eva. which is why I liked the ending of this movie, that turned madoka into amuro, homura into char and sayaka into camille.
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nechronius
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:25 pm
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SpacemanHardy wrote: | People who refer to Madoka Magica as "Dokes" have small and insignificant genitalia.
That is all. |
Hmmm depending on who you talk to I thought it was more due to my excessively large phone, excessively powerful car, excessive collection of firearms or any number of other excesses. But I'll take your statement under advisement.
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EnigmaticSky
Joined: 06 Aug 2011
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:04 pm
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Dokes didn't really jell with me the same way it did so many others. I recently rewatched it over the summer and it still didn't really do it for me. I really dug it at first, but about half way through I just got kinda... Eh about it. I feel like they don't give me anything to invest in the characters, there are some semi-asspulls, and I just really didn't care for the original ending (it's a love it or hate it thing I guess). I bought into the hype and bought the limited editions of the tv series, but I definitely regret it. Like you said, Aniplex's pricing is ridiculously high (but like you said, they know the supply and demand marks, so they make just enough to make their pricing work), and to have spent that much on a series that I didn't even particularly dig really hurts. I do have the compilation/remake movies though, so maybe that'll fix what I felt about the series. I wonder if I can find someway to resell them...
I do want to see what went down in Rebellion Story. I mean if it pissed off that many people, it must be a fun watch.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:26 pm
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SpacemanHardy wrote: | People who refer to Madoka Magica as "Dokes" have small and insignificant genitalia.
That is all. |
I'm a bloke that says "Dokes" and I poke with a spoke.
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Tenchi
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:28 pm
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I'm someone who has never seen Madoka Magica.
I'm sure it's a fine show that perhaps is as great as everyone says it is, but the hype reminds me exactly of the hype for Neon Genesis Evangelion, which I tried watching some years after the hype began but it just didn't do anything for me because I couldn't separate the show from the hype and appreciate Evangelion on its own merits, and I fully recognize that's my own failing and not a problem with the show but the experience of an anime failing, in my eyes, to live up to the hype left a bad taste in my mouth and put me off watching any series that gets all that much hype.
The other thing that puts me off ever trying Madoka Magica (besides the price of the show) is that I am a spoiler-reader but, even if I wasn't, it's pretty hard to avoid certain major spoilers for this series especially if you spend any time looking at anime image boards so I know about many of the deaths in the show and to be frank, what I've seen in image memes about certain deaths comes across as rather brutal and sadistic and that's just not the kind of show I'm interested in watching.
I mean, I'm not going to dispute the acclaim a show I haven't watched receives, but, as for me, I'd rather just stick to happy anime about girls eating cake and drinking tea.
EDIT: I took out the "and am not making any plans to either", which in retrospect comes across as a bit flippant. To be more precise as to why I'd bother replying to the article in the first place, Madoka Magica is a show I'd considered watching because I have liked magical girl shows in the past but I can't get past the hype, which I admit is my own failing. If the article was about a hyped show like Attack on Titan that doesn't have much of any elements I'm interested in, I wouldn't have replied at all.
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Adam Wednesdays
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:31 pm
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I haven't been able to see Rebellion yet (there aren't any screenings near me), but what I've heard doesn't have me looking forward to it. I'm definitely on the side that wants there to be less Madoka to begin with- the TV series is brilliant, but a lot of its greatness and power comes from being entirely self-contained and completed by the end of the last episode. No matter its quality, "Rebellion" was always going to be an unnecessary coda at best.
Every review and description I've read of Rebellion makes it sound like an incredibly awkward affair. And if I'm being honest, the opening act of mundane magical girl stuff sounds like something I'm going to find absolutely painful. Not because I dislike magical girls, but because the thought of 45+ minutes of screwing around in the name of stylistic irony as directed by Akiyuki Shinbo sounds utterly painful. Most of SHAFT's work irritates me to no end, and I can't imagine the first act of Dokes:Rebellion is going to be an exception to that.
Besides, we all know that no one can out-henshin Kunihiko Ikuhara. Why even try?
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FenixFiesta
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:35 pm
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Quote: | I'm someone who has never seen Madoka Magica and am not making any plans to either. |
Does anyone else not see the problem with such a sentiment within the context of this conversation?
Quote: | 45+ minutes of screwing around in the name of stylistic irony as directed by Akiyuki Shinbo sounds utterly painful |
At least this poster knows WHY he refuses to watch Shaft works.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:38 pm
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Tenchi wrote: | I'm someone who has never seen Madoka Magica and am not making any plans to either. |
But I'm sure you will then avoid giving us your opinion on it any-
oh.
Quote: | I'm sure it's a fine show that perhaps is as great as everyone says it is, but the hype reminds me exactly of the hype for Neon Genesis Evangelion, which I tried watching some years after the hype began but it just didn't do anything for me because I couldn't separate the show from the hype and appreciate Evangelion on its own merits, and I fully recognize that's my own failing and not a problem with the show but the experience of an anime failing, in my eyes, to live up to the hype left a bad taste in my mouth and put me off watching any series that gets all that much hype. |
Short version: "I am incapable of forming my own opinion about things and instead base my opinion on things other people have told me"
Quote: | The other thing that puts me off ever trying Madoka Magica (besides the price of the show) is that I am a spoiler-reader but, even if I wasn't, it's pretty hard to avoid certain major spoilers for this series especially if you spend any time looking at anime image boards so I know about many of the deaths in the show and to be frank, what I've seen in image memes about certain deaths comes across as rather brutal and sadistic and that's just not the kind of show I'm interested in watching. |
Spoiler: Everyone dies. And everyone lives. And then some of them die. Then some of them live again.
There is exactly one 'brutal' death, and its not exactly sadistic in how it was done (albeit emotionally...). On the other hand, you haven't even watched the show so again, why are you commenting?
Quote: | I mean, I'm not going to dispute the acclaim a show I haven't watched receives, but, as for me, I'd rather just stick to happy anime about girls eating cake and drinking tea. |
Then don't talk about shows you haven't watched!
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Tenchi
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:39 pm
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FenixFiesta wrote: |
Quote: | I'm someone who has never seen Madoka Magica and am not making any plans to either. |
Does anyone else not see the problem with such a sentiment within the context of this conversation? |
If my post had been just that one sentence, it would be problematic, but I explained myself and people are free to agree or disagree with my reasoning as they like.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:41 pm
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Tenchi wrote: |
If my post had been just that one sentence, it would be problematic, but I explained myself and people are free to agree or disagree with my reasoning as they like. |
No, it actually got worse!
You post doesn't contain any "reasoning", it contains complaints about a completely unrelated series (seriously, not liking a show because it doesn't live up to the 'hype' is YOUR problem, not the show's) and then a demonstration that you have absolutely no idea what the show is actually about.
What is so hard about not opining on the content of stuff you haven't watched any of?
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Zac
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:38 pm
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Fencedude5609 wrote: |
What is so hard about not opining on the content of stuff you haven't watched any of? |
While I'm sure it happens a lot, it really seems to be kind of a plague with this series in particular and that movie especially.
Do not go to the book club meeting if you haven't read the book.
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