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mdo7
Posts: 6268 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Not to go off topic, but you're very lucky from reading your post. Did you have any problem during your time in Japan?? |
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mglittlerobin
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My older brother is ex-military and that cops are under trained and very trigger happy, with everything going on, I agree with him.
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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Pretty much as expected. No notion of any imminent danger. So sad that an innocent life was taken by stupid cops who will get a paid vacation for a bit and then put right back on the force (possibly transferred to another area)
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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If you find people who jump to conclusions to be vile, I hope that your assumptions about what action is being taken against these cops has any truth to it.
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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It's an extremely well-educated prediction, not an assumption.
If there were video then it would be different. Just watch this video if you haven't yet. Do you see the guy profusely apologizing for being shot at by a cop for simply trying to get his license? Do you not understand how completely screwed up that is? This is why mandatory cameras on police officers is a must. Had this not been recorded then the cop could have claimed that he thought the man was reaching for a gun and would have been cleared after a paid vacation. The video camera saw justice that the stupid cop was publicly humiliated for his stupidity and lost his job and was rightfully arrested for assault and will hopefully never work at a "protector of the peace" ever again. This is a very large problem, and the first thing to solving it is to accept that it is a very large problem, and so far, it mostly deals with Caucasian officers firing at African Americans with little reason to do so. |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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It boils down to "Please do something about it." If not, why talk about it? It will continue to happen. These people will never change, period.
PERIOD! History will repeat itself, nothing will change. Let it go. |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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Sean Groubert was fired for his actions and charged with assault. He may face prison time. You said, previously, that people like this would get paid leave, then come back to work. So do people get removed from their jobs, or get suspended until the heat dies down? If you're saying that having more cameras, such as cameras on the officers themselves, is needed these days, you are absolutely correct. With the technology we have, murder involving cops should not still rely on "He said, she said." |
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mdo7
Posts: 6268 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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After this incident and what happened in Ferguson, Mssouri, I support the idea of having cops wearing body camera to reduce the "he said, she said" claim and possible fake/tempered evidences (ie:"doctored" videos) used against the cop in question. |
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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That depends if there is a public video available showing the officer's stupidity. If there isn't (such as this case in Utah) then it it's much more likely that the officer will get suspended until the heat dies down or reassigned to a different area. In fact, the reason I posted that video and stated what happened to the cop in South Carolina was to show the benefit of cameras on police officers. Much harder to say "He was lunging at me" or "I thought he was reaching for a gun" when there is contrary video evidence just showing that the cop was stupid and should not be anywhere near a firearm. |
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configspace
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Why you shouldn't believe cops. I've also had experience with them outright lying in a citation for my relative. This is store security footage of John Crawford, mentioned in the source articles here, disproving claims by cops, who was in a Walmart checking out a pellet gun.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/25/video-proves-cops-shot-guy-in-walmart
However, while racial profiling does play a role in some situations, generally the root cause is NOT matter of race. Just plain and simple police abuse because of the fact that there are two sets of rules. One for government, and another for private citizens. Exact same circumstances of shooting a person for a traffic violation as the video above, misjudgements, except the victim is white: http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/14/dashcam-video-released-in-police-shootin
Kelly Thomas, the homeless man in CA who was beaten to death, and whose officers were judged "innocent" by jurors, was white. And here's a recent case in Utah, where an unarmed white kid gets killed by officers. All because of wrong perceptions: http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/02/da-releases-footage-of-august-police-sho
Oh and speaking of wrong tips, here's another incident (again, not black): http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/03/deadly-drug-raid-over-meth-that-wasnt-th
More reminscent of Kelly Thomas: http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/29/albuquerque-cop-caught-on-dash-cam-sayin
http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/01/police-fire-80-rounds-at-schizophrenic-m
Those trigger-happy mofos are much more of a threat to pulic safety than anyone who mental person unfortunately snaps. This is NOT hyperbole when I say that shooting deaths and mass shooting occur by cops more than anyone else. Aside from the case of chasing Chris Dorner where cops unloaded hundreds of rounds on three innocent victims (2 women in a blue Toyota truck, and 1 guy in a Honda SUV), here's just one of hundreds of examples that goes on unreported by national media every year: http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/05/how-do-you-charge-an-unarmed-man-with-sh
And yes, the law allows cops to blame other people for their mistakes. And while once in a blue-moon, some police may actually be legally punished, the vast vast majority are not. I do not mean whether they are investigated, since investigations are simply a formality. I also do not mean being fired. Do you think you could get away with murder by simply loosing your job? I also do not mean being charged or being the target of an indictment. In almost all cases, Grand Jurors will refuse to indict a cop -- see John Crawford case cited above. And when they actually do, jurors refuse to find them guilty--see Kelly Thomas case. Here's the moral lesson to take away from this: Never Call the Cops Unless You Want Someone Killed: Iowa Man Reports Truck His Teen Son Took as Stolen, Police Kill Teen Son [UPDATED with Link to Dashboard Cam Video] (Again, he was white, and no, nothing happened to the cop afterward aside from the usual "investigation" and paid leave) |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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mdo7
Posts: 6268 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Please tell me this is true, because during Ferguson there was allegation that the police made up evidence about Michael Brown. So until we know the real truth what happened, that link you put is to be treated as not reliable because we don't know if the police is telling the truth or not (as configspace stated). |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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I share headlines as soon as I get them. Updates on this case have been few and far between. Within a month, I feel that the whole incident will be reconstructed.
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mdo7
Posts: 6268 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Yeah, well I hope the real truth come out, I hope this incident doesn't become another Ferguson, and to the point where the FBI have to be called in to find out what really happened. |
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