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Crisha
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^Thanks for the feedback, configspace, and I like the suggestion Updated my post.
Also, a part of me feels like rules with longer sub-rules (i.e. the Commerce rule) can be cut down as well. Anyone wanna take a stab at cutting out unnecessary info? |
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TsunaReborn!
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I thought I would have a go at commerce - essentially trimming the fat and changing the wording slightly to fit:
[*]Commerce
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Redbeard 101
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Here's my suggestion to updating Rule 6. Condense it a bit.
A. Moderators have the right to lock, delete or modify any post at any time for any reason. If a thread is locked, that means the subject may not be brought up again. Moderators are volunteers; they lack the time to read every single post. If you come across a questionable/objectionable post or thread that you think needs to be reviewed, then please click on the red-exclamation-mark icon and fill out the accompanying form. B. No "Back Seat Moderating." If you know a thread is going to be locked, do not post in it, posting in threads that are clearly going to be locked will be dealt with as "trolling " type behavior. Do not berate posters for breaking the rules, that is the job of the ANN moderators and admins. Please report the post and, if you think it is necessary, contact a moderator or admin. For necro posting in rule #10 we need to add that official weekly columns are also exempt. I can do it for you but I figured I'd ask first before touching your baby lol. Also, I don't see Rule 1a as being updated. Still looks the same. Or am I simply reading it wrong? |
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nobahn
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She changed the 1st sentence to reflect configspace's recommendation. She kept the 2nd sentence as-is. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Unless I am mistaken I read configspace's post to mean leave rule 1.A simply as
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nobahn
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I believe (Could be wrong, of course!) that willag elected to keep the 2nd sentence. |
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Tempest
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You can remove the second part. I'll move it to the privacy policy. |
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Crisha
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Updated again!
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nobahn
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Should there be a line about recommendation questions being limited to the official recommendation threads with a link to the recommendation meta-thread?
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Alan45
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@nobahn
The ban on recommendations effects primarily the anime and to some extent the manga forums. It is perhaps best to leave it out of the rules that pertain to the site as a whole. "A Modest Proposal" I'm not sure I really understand why recommendation threads are so anathema. I gather that in their frequency they can be a bit annoying but it seems a minor problem in the long run. In addition, the rule doesn't seem to have actually prevented such requests. Several get locked each week, usually on the posters first post. What I'm proposing is that recommendations be allowed to be requested and answered with the understanding that they are in compliance with the "meaningful discussion" requirement. That is that the person requesting a recommendation be required to explain what they are looking for in some detail. Further the person responding must explain how the recommended show complies with the request. No lists basically. If the requester says something like "I just watched Inu Yasha what is like that", point them to the genre search or specific recommendation threads and lock the request. If they just give a list of shows watched, point out the no list requirement and again refer them and lock the thread. This is essentially what is being done now anyway so no additional moderator work would be required. If, after a request, they explain just what they are looking for, allow other forum members to make thought out responses, again no lists. If no one responds the thread will migrate off the page fairly quickly in any case. In this connection, I note that the "Anime Hunting" thread, contains an awful lot of recommendations for a thread dedicated to no recommendations. Apparently there is no real problem with extended responses. Also the presence of dedicated recommendation threads has always seemed a bit contradictory with the "No recommendation threads" rule. Edit: As an addendum to the above: The most common first posts that I see are either a request for recommendation or a request for when the next season of a specific anime will be broadcast. Both are against stated rules. Apparently the rules are not adequately visible, lack clarity or, which is most likely, we are up against human nature. People simply don’t read them. At that point what usually happens is that they attract back seat moderating. This is followed by an admonishment by a moderator and locking of the thread. Most of the time nothing is said about the back seat moderating. In most cases I think the poster probably takes this as a public shaming even though that is not the intent. Regardless, many, if not most, of these people are never heard from again. Either they abandon the ANN forums or they re-register under a new name to come back. Neither is a good result. Since these are the most common offenses and happen frequently, I can understand the moderators frustration at having to deal with this repeatedly. However, in most cases this is the posters first offense (and first post) and frequently last. Teh rules direct that we be gentle with new members. In the above circumstances this has been perhaps a bit less gentle than could be wished. When Tony K. was the only active moderator this was understandable. He didn’t have a lot of time to waste with fools. However we now seem to have an adequate supply of moderators. I would suggest that the moderators come up with some stock language that could be used to welcome them to the forum, gently explain the error of their ways and point them in the right direction. I would also suggest that since the back seat moderating was done in public that it be admonished in public. This would not apply to people who have been on the forums for any length of time, they should know better. |
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Crisha
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Do you recommend we leave out 9b? It could technically be covered under 9a. We could state to the people asking about new seasons that no new information has been released as of yet and that they should search the news website in the future for information.
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TsunaReborn!
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Let me know if I'm speaking out of term as a non mod in this thread but 9.b could be shortened to or added to 9.a stating something like:
"Do not make threads or posts that require speculation." |
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Alan45
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@willag
I hadn't given much thought to 9b as I was primarily concerned that we be less abrupt with first time posters. My response to TsunaReborn! was that no one would think that applied to their question. On further thought, his suggestion with some tweaking might work. Rule 9b is entirely clear. Obviously that isn't helping as new posters violate it at least weekly. They just are not reading the rules before they post. Since Tempest wants to keep the rules short, all we need is enough to show to someone who wants to argue. Tsuna's suggestion added to 9a as an additional sentence with the existing link should suffice. That is a statement that we don't allow speculation along with a linked explanation as to why and what. It is not like the existing extra information is stopping anything. Tempest is right, the rules need to be as clear and as short as possible. If someone says "show me where it says I can't do that (or must do that)". Link him to the rule. If he says "Why can't I do that (or must do that)" link him to the linked explanation. It is not as though people will read the rules anyway. They are mostly a place to show people that there are rules, usually after the fact. I suspect many long time posters learned the rules by seeing others being reminded of them. And another thing. In the forum "Announcements and Teh rules", Teh rules should be listed first and the thread stickied. Also about half the announcements are no longer current, some desperately so, and should be archived to reduce clutter. Do we really need to continue telling people that a server went down years ago? |
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TsunaReborn!
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Yes, sorry, I should have stated that the link should be included in my suggestion. This is why I thought it acceptable to reduce that section to one line.
Alan, I ageee that a warm welcome and a link to the rules for new users causing an infringement would be good; Nobnahn does this well. I think I've brought this up before but is it possible for an auto email to be sent to new members welcoming them to the site with a link to Teh Rules included? I know that many would still dive straight into the site without following the link but its one way to try and direct traffic to a very useful area of the forum to start in. |
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Redbeard 101
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The thing is we have a host of official recommendation threads based on genres. We created them several years ago to help give users a place to ask for recommendations. There used to be no real place for it but we got the ok to make those genre based official ones. I personally feel those are all the ones we need. It might sound a bit cold but I for one expect users to put in SOME effort into finding what they are looking for. Not just come in and sit down and ask for people to spell hings out for them. Now that being said I have seen other mods in the past, and I try to do this myself in similar situations, responding to a recommendation thread (non-official) or a question thread an provide a link to a better suited thread. I personally eel that is a fair and even compromise. We have plenty of viable threads users can find and use. If they are new I don't min personally giving them a helping hand so to speak but I do feel that it keeps things tidy not allowing the unofficial threads. Just my 2 cents. |
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