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penguintruth
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:50 pm
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| SHD wrote: | | SAC which is overall tragically underrated in the west... |
Really? You think Stand Alone Complex is underrated? Doesn't it get pretty much universal acclaim? 
| anddo! wrote: | | I don't care what Oshii has to say, he's not the creator of Ghost in the Shell. His testimony means nothing to anyone. |
Masamune Shirow does almost exclusively hentai now. I think he's going to be fine with it. Oshii's approval has a little more luster.
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jdnation
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:00 am
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| anddo! wrote: | | I don't care what Oshii has to say, he's not the creator of Ghost in the Shell. His testimony means nothing to anyone. |
As far as many are concerned Oshii' adaptation defined GITS and is also superior to the original manga.
In fact I personally prefer the manga least behind every other adaptation.
Shirow just does nothing but hentai now, even Pandora in the Crimson Shell is weird and uncomfortable imo. The man has ideas for sure, but I'd much rather Oshii or someone else filter them.
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leafy sea dragon
Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:08 am
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| 12skippy21 wrote: | | I have never seen a production team attempt to cater so hard to a fanbase. We know the controvesy regarding white washing and trying to satisfy the fans of the source material but almost every day we get a "It is good, look, look, we have the author saying so...oh you want more, you remember the original music, well here it is...look here are some behind the scenes stuff"! |
Well, we had that sort of thing with Watchmen and Warcraft. Frankly, a franchise's fans are the hardest group to please, and it winds up as high-risk, high-reward: There's a very high chance you'll just tick them all off, but on the off chance you don't, you have a group who will sink lots of money into your work.
It's a much safer investment to aim for the mainstream and try to gain new fans in that way.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:45 am
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| anddo! wrote: | | I don't care what Oshii has to say, he's not the creator of Ghost in the Shell. His testimony means nothing to anyone. |
I feel similarly. I'm actually rather tired of hearing this guy defend this movie - it's the second time in a week. At this point he's sounding like an apologist. I want the film to speak for itself.
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russ869
Joined: 22 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:13 am
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| SENPAI-- wrote: | | Remember James Cameron, and look how Terminator Genesis turned out. |
I loved Terminator Genisys. Mostly because against all odds it managed to do something new and tell a story that was interesting in a franchise that had really been run into the ground storytelling-wise. It was weird and meta-textual (like the scenes where they reproduced scenes from the first film shot for shot for shot). Plus it managed to just flat-out ignore the existence of the terrible 3rd and 4th films.
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anddo
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:36 pm
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| jdnation wrote: | | As far as many are concerned Oshii' adaptation defined GITS and is also superior to the original manga. |
Defined GitS insofar as completely defiling the original manga's potential legacy and ruining any chance of a proper adaptation? Sure. Also I'd like you to consider the order in which you picked up the series before boasting the movie's "superiority". You may have a biased approach.
| jdnation wrote: | | Shirow just does nothing but hentai now, even Pandora in the Crimson Shell is weird and uncomfortable imo. The man has ideas for sure, but I'd much rather Oshii or someone else filter them. |
Shirow doing anything besides GitS is a complete non-sequitur to this debate, and your statement here seems to detract quite a bit from Shirow's talent? I'm assuming you've never read his serious works like Black Magic, Appleseed, Orion and Dominion. I highly recommend them.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:05 pm
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Live-action Ghost in the Shell may look great visually, but how good is its adapted story?
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penguintruth
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:16 am
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| Mr. Oshawott wrote: | | Live-action Ghost in the Shell may look great visually, but how good is its adapted story? |
Well, it could very well be that Oshii is being diplomatic by emphasizing how good LOOKING the movie is. 
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jr240483
Joined: 24 Dec 2005
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Location: New York City,New York,USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:03 am
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| Gemnist wrote: | | Visually or as a movie? We want specifics, dude! |
He sais gorgeous so it's safe to assume he mean't visually. Hooray, we're guaranteed to see lots of pretty colors in the film!  |
come now. its pretty clear that mamoru is doing a massive PR stunt with these statements to calm down the nay sayers of the live action movie since the announcement of having scarlet to be the major has caused a massive crapstorm. dont be surprised that cause of the controversy that this movie will bomb. and very hard. probably even worse than samuel l jackson's take of the kite movie.
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Ochinchinsama69
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:46 am
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If that's what Oshii thinks then he must have grown incredibly senile..very sad
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:52 pm
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| Ochinchinsama69 wrote: | | If that's what Oshii thinks then he must have grown incredibly senile..very sad |
Why's that? It definitely looks quite nice to me and to a lot of other people here.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:20 pm
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So the old director has the right to an opinion until he praises the film. 
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:07 am
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OK, so the anime director gave his blessing, but what about Masamune-sama? The only justification I could see to this white-washing is the fact the Major switches bodies being a cyborg.
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