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SilverTalon01
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First, 'hyperbole,' go look it up. If you seriously expect everything ever said or written to be meant literally, I have no idea how you are going to get by in life. Second, you say you like action so I'm pretty much positive that you like fan service. Fan service doesn't just mean hot girls/guys.
I have to disagree. What sounds more like a 13-14 and maybe even 15 year old boy: an adult female or an adult male? An adult female is likely to be significantly closer. An adult male is going to sound like exactly that. Having a young teen sounding like they're 25-30 is far worse than having them sound like their voice hasn't changed yet. |
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whiskeyii
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Honestly, I have a hard time pinning down what makes a "good" fanservice show for me. I feel like I'm very picky about fanservice shows, and so far, I've only liked Punch Line, Free!(??? Not sure if that really counts), that one bit in Prison School about T vs. A, and Ben-To! (minus the awful lesbian kidnapping scenes).
If you twisted my arm about it though, I'd wager it's probably that the show (and the camera) is upfront about it, rather than coyly lingering on specific body parts, that it doesn't resort to demeaning it's cast, and that it's more or less equal opportunity. But honestly, I'm not sure myself. |
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mewpudding101
Industry Insider
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I know some people will disagree with me, but I think Cross Ange did a very good job at tasteful fanservice (most of the time.) The handling of it in the first episode was terrible (apparently the director requested the skimpy nightwear on his own fetish), but after this, it was great. It had fanservice, but it also portrayed the female body in a strong, beautiful way.
Even when showing the female body to the same amount, there is a tasteful way to do it, and a distasteful way. I think Cross Ange hit the perfect balance. I usually HATE fanservice. HATEHATEHATE. But this series did such a good job with balance. Going to the final fan meeting with the director and staff tonight in Ikebukuro. It has been such a great ride. With a lot of series that treat women as meat lumps, it's great to have one with a balance of sexuality, drama, and strength. |
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Hellsoldier
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Ah, fanservice. The everlasting topic of fanservice. Quite frankly, why is it that Mnemosyne's borderline hentai doesn't bug me, but most of ecchi today does? I could just give a ''it has a better plot'' argument, but Mnemosyne's plot isn't really great. But I guess the thing was that it had no shame in going the extra mile. And despite not having a great plot, it sure is a different plot from the majority of other ecchi titles.
In other words: It either goes all-out, or it better have a good story. Otherwise, no deal, it's nothing more than generic. I'd like to see some of the rather violent and rather sexual manga adapted into anime. I ain't seeing it happen any time soon. Some of it actually has more mature topics. Fanservice is no excuse for mediocrity, and if a work is going to have a pathetic mix of unmemorable characters, annoying characters, tired plot and unoriginal fanservice, forget it. Maybe hentai with a drop of plot would be a better watch. Maybe I should pick up on Cream Lemon or Shoujo Sect, hentai titles I haven't really watched. Maybe I'll see something more impressive there. |
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kotomikun
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I've never been able to get into any pure-fanservice shows. They all just take things too far, or make it too obvious that it's trying to turn you on, to maintain anything like suspension of disbelief. And parody fanservice like Eiken feels repulsive instead of funny... To Love-Ru was tolerable until they brought in the tentacles (which didn't take very long, if I remember right).
I've been catching up on Symphogear, which has about the maximum level of fanservice for me--girls in partially-skintight suits (but only while fighting), occasional nudity (but, importantly, no one ever overreacts to either their own or someone else's nudity), heavily implied gayness. It doesn't have too much "male gaze" camera positioning, nor is there a generic male self-insert character. Those always drive me nuts, because they're all exactly the same, completely unrelateable to me, and cause 99% of the irritatingly self-aware ogling and "hilariously" awkward situations and so on. |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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I'm confused as to why anyone would point to DxD as an example of 'doing fan service right'.
The show is, in a word, bipolar. It wants to be both an epic fantasy tale and a wacky softcore porn comedy at the same time but doesn't really do either all that well. It switches between taking itself way too seriously and not taking itself seriously enough. Sometimes in the same scene. |
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secondkas
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Yep,good article, totally agree with everything.
I prefer fanservice shows that are honest and sincere from the start and not some bait-and-switch of something else; it feels like they respect their audience decision of whether to stick along or to leave. I avoid watching boob and harem shows but that’s my preference, I cannot say whether they’re good or bad and I’m not going to judge them for it if it is their intention.What irritates are the peek-a-boo that some shows do. For instance the K movie. A female character is just talking then out of nowhere a pantyshot. A female character is on duty but the camera is focused on her ass. Like, I’m focusing on the events, how am I supposed to react to this? Like guerrilla fanservice. If the story warrants it, I don’t mind jiggling boobs (because if the character is moving, then what else) or full nudity or implied sex but sorry, pantyshots (as in there’s a skirt that moves ever so slightly~) really bother me. I can’t understand the thrill of “peeking” like a creep. Once again, sorry if some get offended by that statement, I'm open for an explanation. It's interesting that Free! seems to be the only female fanservice show at par with male oriented ones. Like Kill la Kill, whose theme revolves on clothing (ridiculously), Free! has found a premise to showcase bodies without being sleazy. You want shirtless men? Bam, then ogle at them while they’re swimming. Outside that context though, the characters are fully clothed; no sudden farfetched moments where “suddenly” their uniform shirts pop open while doing other everyday things, even Haru’s stripping is meant to be weird. (I remember a tumblr post/comic that noted that going from his swimsuit to a fireman suit, Makoto gets hotter the more layers of clothes he wear  )
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Fourteenthangel
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I personally don't mind fanservice in anime. I even enjoy the occasionally trashy ecchi anime every now and then. I personally don't see the point and getting up and arms about it. I just some people are a bit prudes if I am being honest. It isn't a deal breaker for me. There is are some forms of fanservice I like and or dislike but that can all be chalked up to my preferences.
On that train of thought, since it is fanservice is usually meant to elicit some form of arousal everyone has their own preferences and kinks so everyone is going to have different opinions on what they want to see or not see. "How they can make fan-service in anime better" if you will. I just think that is just the wrong way to go about it. Anyways, I more or less agree with the article. |
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Ausdoerrt
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IMO, there is (should be?) a rather clear distinction between "fanservice in anime" and "fanservice anime". I feel like this more or less summarizes the thesis of the article.
"Fanservice in anime" is a matter of taste but is by and large fine. There are some particularly tasteless examples of misplaced fanservice (e.g. "High School of the Dead, though I've heard people praise that too), but I think they are exceptions to the rule. "Fanservice anime", on the other hand, lives and dies by the fanservice, because it has nothing else to offer. Fanservice is used to cover up the flaws in all other aspects of the show, but more often that not only accentuates them. I'm not entirely sure why such shows continue to get made, really, as they're pretty much tripe through and through. The shows that could be cited as good "guilty pleasure shows" are usually highly competent in some other regard. For example, "He Is My Master" is great fun not "because boobs", but because it's actually got some good humor in it and you learn to love the show in spite of some tasteless moments. So learn to love fanservice in good shows. For everything else, there's hentai. |
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Kadmos1
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DxD is also 1 of the more successful harems here and I think I have actually seen more praise for the English than the usual dub complaints (excluding the Born recast controversy).
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DuskyPredator
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Nah, there are a number of fanservice shows themselves that are quite good. Free and DxD are definitely both fanservice anime that have garnered a following, and not just for hot characters, they are fitting examples of what this article was talking about. A number of people would say that the fanservice really is the main points of them, but they keep themselves consistent, have reasonable stories, put work into making the characters look good, know when to focus on something else, but also know how to show they are fully aware. Monster Musume got some interest in its first episode for a few things. From my point of view disliking some of these higher praised series can really come down that maybe it does not fit tastes. As of late I have really had myself watch shows that my gender and orientation is not the target audience so I can maybe appreciate how the other side feels. Really not afraid now of a show with a bunch of hot dudes, although part of my interest is that I find it funny seeing the fanservice scenes, don't know if women feel that with some that are aimed at men. Not sure if it counts as fanservice, but I think that Kamigami no Asobi was one I was particularly fond of. Although I think that fanservice can really be a little different between who the gender aimed and those aimed at females are less about how much skin can be shown. But kind of think Free would have started a trend. I do find myself rolling my eyes at a lot of fanservice actually, Isuca as an example had me super annoyed by a number of problems that it lent too hard on fanservice while kind of making a mess. It felt like High School of the Dead was the start of some shows that kind of took it a gross way that things just did not feel natural. I am kind of interested for what Shimoneta might mean for the topic, I started off kind of annoyed, but I ended up thinking that there was a real point to how confrontational things were. What does a woman wearing panties on her head even mean? |
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Hyperdrve
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I prefer a fanservice anime over an anime that's just bad, or worse an anime that tries to be good but turns out bad. But even if fanservice is a tool to escape bad anime, there are anime out there that remind me how bad the quality of anime has been for a while. I'm currently watching Gurren Lagann and it's making me question "lesser animes". With this mindset, at least for a fanservice anime I can say that I didn't waste my time. But if there is an anime that has both fanservice and a good story, it's definitely Kill la Kill.
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Rivailloli
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Generally I avoid fanservice shows. I find them all rather boring and they feature basically the same antics within them so I get bored rather quickly because I feel like I had watched it multiple times over. I have enjoyed a few though like Free!, UtaPri, Monogatari, and currently Monster Musume.
I don't mind fanservice in works, but I cannot stand when the fanservice jars with the work and its tone. Like the first point mentioned, a highschool, comedy setting has more room for silly antics unlike in a work that features more serious and dramatic tones. Not that you can't feature sexuality in a serious work, depending on the topic, but many fanservice scenes are ridiculous and never handled properly (in my opinion) so they just end up clashing with everything and making me dislike it. Also have to agree with other comments about the proportions. I despise cowtits, I think they're disgusting. I don't mind big boobs that are believably big, but stuff like that lady from Prison School just don't cut it out for me. I've somehow managed to excuse it in Monster Musume though. I'd also rather more variety in a work rather than a bunch of girls with big boobs and then one with a flat chest. Varying sizes would be a nice touch to see. |
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motormind
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Heck, a good story can make me forget about fanservice. I had thoroughly enjoyed Uta-Kata for the high drama and character development, when I read a review complaining about the many panty shots littered throughout each episode. When I re-watched the show, I indeed noticed the panty-shots and other pieces of fanservice much more readily. But hey, I still love the show.
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Sharkacon
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Like with most Lollies, I can't stand Koneko. Or (for different reasons) Rias and Akeno. Asia's pretty annoying, but not gross like those other three. Zenovia and Irina are cute, and Gasper is hilarious, but it's the raunchy comedy of the DxD dubs that keeps me watching. As for Monster Masume, Papi acts childish, but isn't really drawn to look like a kid. It's a bit annoying, but I'm putting up with it. Most of all, though, I can't watch that show hoping for fanservice. The girls are freaks of nature. That's the premise of the show. I find the sexual comedy there hilarious because it's so twisted and bizarre, plus the physical humor with Darling-kun constantly getting mauled makes that show more of a horror-harem than an ecchi comedy to me. As for hypocrisy believe alive and well... Yep. We're humans. Get used to it. Everybody's a hypocrite at some point. |
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