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Heinzendegger
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When the Tendou sisters started their search in the Astralux they showed us .spoiler[Ginka still fighting her counter-part]
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MadMan400096
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That looked more like a flashback than anything else. |
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Blood-
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Yeah, that was my take, too.
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Heinzendegger
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There are two reasons I think it wasn't a flashback.
First would be that having a flashback makes no sense, since there's no context for one. They weren't reminiscing about her, they started looking through the Astralux. Second, and more important, they are fighting with axes here, not spears. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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As I was thinking about this show this week, I realized something that I hadn't thought about before. I'll discuss before moving on to episode 11.
I've mentioned before how I feel like so much of what happens in this show has been carefully thought out, but I didn't even spend much time thinking about the character's names. Yea, Akari and Luna - these are pretty obvious (light and moon). However, I didn't process the fact that Luna's twin sister is named Serena. (Sailor Moon reference?) Then, I suddenly started thinking about the names of other characters, specifically, the familiars. I had always thought Shrodinger was an interesting name for the cat familiar, but then I suddenly realized "Oh, Shrodinger's cat!" I'm not sure why it took me so long to think of that. Then I looked up the info regarding Laplace, the crow's name. Pierre-Simon Laplace was an extremely renowned scientist. He also came up with a theory commonly referred to as "Laplace's Demon." (Apparently, Laplace's Demon has shown up in other anime in some form or another.) Essentially it is a theory about how all that has happened and all that will happen throughout existence operates under some kind of larger "cause and effect" system, and if one being (i.e. the demon) existed which could recognize all causes and all effects and understand how they work, such a being could predict and even control the future. (Perhaps this would be a god of sorts? But Laplace appears to have been somewhat of an atheist). This kind of theory seems dependent on the idea of "fate." 2 things here #1 Shrodinger's cat seems to be a somewhat opposing theory, as the cat in the box concept is essentially a demonstration of chaos. (For those who don't know, Shrodinger's cat refers to an experiment where you place a cat in a box of some type with a death trap. At any given moment, the cat could be dead or alive, but we don't know unless we open the box. However, the underlying theory of superposition indicates that the cat is BOTH dead and alive until we observe one or the other conclusively.) Thus, under this theory, our power of observation is able to effectively modify the ultimate outcome. It's a kind of theory that I think runs counter to "fate." #2 Laplace's Demon is also apparently in conflict with the concept of "Entropy." For all of us who have watched a certain recent "dark magical girl show" where entropy was the important factor driving the actions of Kyubey, this should be another interesting nugget. Laplace could be analogized as a sort of conflicting familiar to Kyubey. Interesting, huh? Then, last but not least, the concepts of Shrodinger's Cat and Laplace's Demon (perhaps analogized as "chaos/self determination" and "fate" respectively), were very effectively utilized in the most recent episode. Laplace opposes Etia spoiler[giving the information to Akari relating to her true nature], and once it is revealed, he returns to Leguzario. He believes that fate will decide what happens to Akari, and is obedient to that fate which has been predicted for her. However, Shrodinger stays with Akari and says that he/she wants to see what happens. This is the element of chaos, where the future will be determined by what Shrodinger observes, not by fate. I can't help but think that the creators of this anime thought all of this through when working on it (unless they just randomly happened to build these characters in this way). Once again, it reinforces my belief that this show is so much smarter than people give it credit for. Regarding episode 11, I was very pleased. Like others, I do suspect that spoiler[Cerebrum is Akari's father. I am not sure why he would be spending so much of his efforts to acquire her, especially since the organization he works for doesn't seem to care for his obsession with her.] Also, I LOVED the whole set up and ultimate confrontation between Seira and Luna. It is all the more interesting because spoiler[Seira doesn't have her powers, but simply has the weapon given to her by the evil Cerebrum]. It is hard to imagine just how they will both get out of this encounter alive. I am VERY eager to see what happens! Also, the whole thing of spoiler[Akari being half Daemonia], I think that was another masterfully executed plot twist. I really didn't see that coming, and I doubt many ever considered that possibility even though it was properly set up with spoiler[her being able to hear their voices]. Personally, I am loving the fact that this show continually surprises me with each new episode. This is definitely my #1 show this season. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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LaPlace's Demon sounds, from what ChibiKangaroo described, like a personification of Deterimism. In Determinism, if you know all the starting conditions and the effects of every causation, you can accurately predict every outcome. However, Entropy is an effect, and to some degree this effect can be predicted (we know how various sorts of entropic decay occur, for example), so Determinism is not necessarily contradicted by Entropy. What can be said is that the direction of this show seems to be aimed at an effort to fight Determinism: the protagonists, in general, are attempting to defy "fate": or, more precisely, they are trying to achieve an effect other than what the initial factors indicate should occur.
Schroedinger's Cat is a facet of quantum theory, in particular of something being in an indeterminate state: by examining it, you change its state. And if you have two things with the same quantum signature that are in an indeterminate state, then changing one of them will cause the *other* thing to change in a different (but predictable) manner. Quantum theory is not the same as actual chaos -- it's not total randomness -- but it does deal with probability and the inability to know anything for certain (as knowing changes the thing you're examining). So it's natural that Schroedinger would stay with the group as it believes that their fates are not certain and that knowledge can change outcomes. But yes, it's pretty interesting stuff. I figured out the part about Schroedinger right away, but my only knowledge of LaPlace is that there's something called a "LaPlace Transformation" that exists in Calculus (further along than I got to in college), so I knew he was a mathematician, but nothing else. BTW, in phyics, when a particle meets its anti-particle, the two are usually annihilated. |
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CrowLia
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I appreciate what they tried to do with Akari's spoiler[half elemental half daemonia thing, but the story they came up with was so stupid I could just roll my eyes. If a guy catches Avian influenza and impregnates his girlfriend, their child will not be born half chicken] Up to last week's ridiculous angry mob thing, the show had been boring, but consistent and true to its own boring logic. Then all of a sudden there's spoiler[a rumor that the "secret" tarot school is related to the Daemonia (of which nobody knows about, and their existence is wiped from people's memories) and so an angry mob decided to burn down the school. If people really work like that, I may as well start a rumor about how X whom I hate is responsible for the typhoon that collapsed the main road to Acapulco and wait with popcorn in hand for the angry mob to burn down their home.]
Overall, this show has had good ideas here and there, but the execution of them has been so terrible and ruined by the writers' attempt to make it look more edgy and dark. I hope they at least manage to close up the major plot threads -there are way too many of them now- in the few episodes that remain and that at least the final battle equals or bests spoiler[Ginka's fight with her counterpart] in terms of animation and choreography
No. Just no. Sailor Moon's name in Japan is Usagi and that's what she's known for in Japan. Serena is a derivative of Selene, the greek goddess of the moon. [insult removed]. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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I know her name in Japanese was different. I was just throwing it out there given that this is a show of the same genres and the names are both being used. I didn't see what insult you threw out at the end of your post, but glad that it was removed
 It's unfortunate that such actions need to be taken in the first place.
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Bargain Hunter Posts: 23822 |
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Eh, it wasn't really a personal insult per se, more of just a rudely phrased invitation to open a book. I was kind of surprised to see Crowlia write that - I thought I was the only one around here who flew off the handle and over-reacted inappropriately.
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CrowLia
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Clearly I'm spending too much time on this forum and getting infected with the "being an ass over nothing" disease. Still don't know why it was removed as "insult" whilst other people's more outrageous responses get the pass, but whatever. Should've been: "Please be so kind as to do minimum research before posting questionable theories on the internet if it please you" |
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MadMan400096
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So Cerebrum spoiler[wants to bone Akari]. Uh, yeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh...
 Though I will admit I didn't see it coming.
Also, spoiler[Ginka's still alive...somehow]. |
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That's what SHE said. I can't say I am surprised by spoiler[Ginka's re-appearance,] but I am very happy about it. |
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Bango
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ep12 -
Well that takes mindfuck to a whole new level. It's funny if you consider things from spoiler[Cerebrum's perspective and the story essentially becomes about a mysterious organization trying to cockblock him.] Still though, the guy's a serious jerk but I have to admit this was likely the most unexpected twist I've seen in something in ages. It makes perfect sense in story but the possibility of it just never occurred to me. spoiler[Ginka's return only half surprises me. I kind of expected it and kind of didn't. They'd better have a damn good reason because otherwise it looses major points. A show that was running on the dark scale shouldn't have a smiley happy "they weren't dead" twist without a damn good reason.] I'm also looking forward to an explination of what is going on with the key. I was hoping the instructors might go kick some butt, although it might have something to do with spoiler[Ginka] instead. We'll likely see next episode. Next ep looks like a spoiler[big battle, possibly stuff to do with Akari's mom and I presume they get Akari out of that hourglass because Luna's holding her and she's nekkid. Expect fanart of Luna with a nosebleed over that.] For outtakes, it'd be funny if they just showed Shrodinger sitting on the bench for about 30 seconds and then just cut back to the action. It's a shame I'm bound to mechamusume-themed avatars because that cat is great for them. |
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CrowLia
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Leguzario: spoiler[Oh drat! We were so busy trying to be a shady and questionably manipulative organization just for shits and giggles that we forgot it wasn't really a good idea to let the bad guy make babies with the protagonist!]
Bad Guy: spoiler[I went out of my way to infiltrate the government and kill a bureaucrat because I wanted to impregnate the protagonist. Makes perfect sense] This show makes me want to bang my head on the desk over and over . At least I'm glad spoiler[they gave Luna a new power], it was baddass. Also, even if spoiler[Ginka's return was very stupid (oh we're very dark and edgy so we kill one of the main cast! Except not because we have no balls), her battle powers are the coolest to look at], so I'm just going to let it go. Many things frustrate me about this show, but I think the one that pisses me off most is that the Fuyuna thing is a big deal in the series (and if the series were actually half as dark as it thinks it is, the scenes of spoiler[Akari killing Fuyuna over and over would've been heart-wrenching instead of gratuitous angst porn]), but when it actually happened in episode 1 all I could think was "boohoo your orphan cousin is more popular than you, your life must be hell". This episode tried to explain spoiler[Fuyuna's "grudge" against Akari but it made no fricking sense because none of Fuyuna's accusations were ever reflected in their interactions ] OTOH if I hear one more "Oneetan... Oneetan... Oneetan... NANO" I'm probably going to throw the computer out the window. |
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FenixFiesta
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To bring up the undead horse just to kick it down again,(warning, longwinded rant that I pretty much have gone over already)spoiler[ what annoys me most about Day Break in regards to this season of releases is that a good chunk of people were very much open to this series where they instinctively slammed the door on say Fantasista Dolls, as I mentioned before both series from my perspective aren't too great yet I am simply having a blast with FD, and right now it is on its narrative rise for its conclusion, where as for DB it has simply been on a study slump in comparison to what the opening episodes seemed to have promised in a "darker magical girl tale" (hands down the creepy abusive boyfriend character was a much more sinister antagonist in FD than the now ever so squiky Cereberum)
What is sad is that DB truly does understand the magical girl formula, but what it lacks is the "soul" to balance out the dark angst DB is striving to be. ]Maybe the finale will surprise me, but I am certainly not on high hopes of being anything greater than what the series has already presented. |
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