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NEWS: Hollywood Reporter: Live-Action Akira Film's Production Shut Down

Pro-Asian supremacist"? Despite the fact that I talk about all people that are not white, not just Asians, that are being marginalized in Hollywood?

Also, I find it amusing that you use the same link I did before of the previous thread in your reply to Surrender Artist. Not only did I mention that thread proving that I corrected you in it but you must think people have just as bad as a reading comprehension issue as you do because anyone with two eyes can see that I answered all of your comments, put your erroneous arguments in their places and you were the one who were left simply ignoring points and stubbornly posting the same incorrect rhetoric. Look no further than this reply here as proof. You bring up your bad Spider-Man argument again and completely fail to acknowledge me debunking in that thread as well as in this thread when you mention it again.

By the way, can you definitively prove that the picture of the person in the facebook profile you claim is you is actually you, an Asian person like you claimed?

Note the facts that I brought up in that post that you don't even acknowledge. This is becoming a pattern with you I notice. You ignore evidence and continue on with your bad and already disproven arguments.

Very, very little and even fewer than are not stereotypes and even less that get to play leads in Hollywood movies.

The fact you submitted that as supposed evidence to claim there isn't any racism in Hollywood says how ignorant you are on this issue.

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If Hollywood is racist, then is Resident Evil racist because Resident 4 was accused of being anti-spanish and Resident Evil 5 has been blast by many African American of being racist. Resident Evil is made in Japan, BTW. You're no different from people that accused racism on stupid thing.

I have no idea what you are on about here.

Unless you actually reply to it and prove what you are talking about then a reply like this means nothing. Let me point out that in that thread you completely ignored my points and just started to reply in general and repeat again certain things that have already been debunked. This means you cannot bring yourself to admit when you are wrong and just choose to argue just to argue. That's quite immature as well as not being connected to reality.

Well, what are you an Asian with a pro-Asian view or a caucasian that defend Asian (or pretend to be Asian) and has a thought like a weeaboo.

I'm Asian, how do I know you're not really an Asian supremacist because I met people like that before.

Most of your posts have contradictions and double strandards. You complain about western whitewash Asian and yet you gave an OK for a Japanese person to play Spiderman. How is it different, and I didn't understand your explanation at all when I look back. your thing about Spiderman doesn't make any sense and I don't see any people beside you defending you. You're just like those people using racism to promote your agenda, you're like the Jack Thompson of "Asian don't get enough", what do you want an Asian president to run US also??

Yeah more proof that it's Asian supremacy after all.

BTW, those 2 links you put up I don't trust them even if they are written by Asian because those are not credible. If you believe those link, then do you believe that video game cause violence.

When did I say Hollywood was never racist, you're making up stuff again.

I'm comparing you to those people that accused Resident Evil 5 of racism.

I don't know where to start, but your rant and your outspoken view don't hold to me and you know what.

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Well, what are you an Asian with a pro-Asian view or a caucasian that defend Asian (or pretend to be Asian) and has a thought like a weeaboo.

I'm a person who recognizes the racist casting practices that Hollywood and am making that fact known in this discussion because it is at the core of this Hollywood production.

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I'm Asian, how do I know you're not really an Asian supremacist because I met people like that before.

Because nothing I have said is "Asian supremacist" in any way shape or form. I have provided evidence for everything I wrote. You have not. At this point you have given up and are throwing around meaningless labels at me as a last ditch effort to act as if you have some sort of higher ground in this discussion. You don't and by trying to slap an "Asian supremacist" tag on me without any credible reason why, you are basically admitting you lost this discussion.

Also, let me remind you that it was you in the previous Akira thread where you claimed you were Asian without anyone asking you. You threw that in there as if it makes whatever you say correct. Since people online are known to be deceitful due to anonymity I asked you to provide proof and you linked me to some facebook profile. I accepted it but now after seeing your aberrant behavior here I am having doubts if that is even you. Can you prove that the person in that facebook profile is you?

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Most of your posts have contradictions and double strandards. You complain about western whitewash Asian and yet you gave an OK for a Japanese person to play Spiderman. How is it different, and I didn't understand your explanation at all when I look back. your thing about Spiderman doesn't make any sense and I don't see any people beside you defending you. You're just like those people using racism to promote your agenda, you're like the Jack Thompson of "Asian don't get enough", what do you want an Asian president to run US also??

You're not actually replying to anything I specifically wrote you are just saying it's "contradictions and double strandards." What did I write that made them "contradictions and double strandards"? Note the specific things I wrote and the explanations I gave otherwise you reply is meaningless.

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Yeah more proof that it's Asian supremacy after all.

Huh? How?

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BTW, those 2 links you put up I don't trust them even if they are written by Asian because those are not credible. If you believe those link, then do you believe that video game cause violence.

Why are they not credible? Each one goes in detail about the movie and they give their specific reasons and arguments. Whether or not you agree with them is not the point. The point is the Joy Luck Club is a controversial movie, especially in the Asian American community. Those links are proof of the existence of that movie being controversial and is not really seen as a positive Asian American movie like you claimed.

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When did I say Hollywood was never racist, you're making up stuff again.

I never wrote that you said that "Hollywood was never racist" I wrote, "The fact you submitted that as supposed evidence to claim there isn't any racism in Hollywood..."

which is paraphrasing what you wrote here in your last reply: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1904298#1904298

This is a direct quote found in your last reply:

Hollywood is not all racist

Again, you need to read better.

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I'm comparing you to those people that accused Resident Evil 5 of racism.

I assume you are talking about the video game and not the movie? Well, I don't play video games and this thread isn't about video games.

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I don't know where to start, but your rant and your outspoken view don't hold to me and you know what.

If you "don't know where to start" then it means you shouldn't be entering discussions about the topic.

Also, you really hit rock bottom if you are trying to catch the attention to moderators to close this thread and ban me. As anyone can see I haven't done anything wrong. I participated in this thread about the topic of the thread (i.e. the Warner Bros production of Akira) and back up my statements with facts.

You on the other hand write erroneous arguments that are proven to be wrong yet each and every time you ignore all proof against them and continue writing the same erroneous arguments. Now you have shown that instead of being mature and just admitting you were mistaken and move on you will stoop down to any level to avoid admitting you are wrong even if that means ridiculously calling for a thread to be closed and a person to be banned that has clearly done nothing malicious.

Look at the many Japanese live-action films that, for financial reasons, have to be done on even worse budgets. They look cheezy. If Akira had been done in Japan's live-action, it would look cheezy. It can't be done in that kind of budget.

I don't see anyone backing you on this forum.

Beside, I think you're just on ANN to spread your "Hollywood is racist and will always be" rant

and I never heard of any controversey about the Joy Luck Club.

As I said, you attack on Hollywood whitewashing Asian but yet you defend Asian being cast in caucasian characters. I don't understand how a Japanese person playing as Spiderman is any different from a white person playing a Japanese character in Akira.

So you don't play video game huh, I bet you don't watch any other anime beside Akira and DBZ. Do you know the series, Negima? Because the live-action Tv show based on Negima that was made in Japan was really bad.

Even if you're not violating any rules, all you just doing is just soapboxing and throwing your own rant.

Akira would probably fail regardless if the actors is caucasian or Asian. When it comes to live-action based on anime, it can go good or bad. As Enurtsol said a few page ago

To any Moderator: Please close this thread, this is not going anyway productive.

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Akira would probably fail regardless if the actors is caucasian or Asian. When it comes to live-action based on anime, it can go good or bad. As Enurtsol said a few page ago

Well, frankly any movie "can go good or bad". My point is that if this Akira production is made with the white washed casting then it only hurt Asian American actors further if the movie is successful.

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I don't see anyone backing you on this forum.

That's a pretty bad way to defend your arguments especially seeing as how it hasn't even been a day since I replied in this thread. Let me also point out that in the last thread there was another poster who also had similar arguments I did and also disagreed with you.

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Beside, I think you're just on ANN to spread your "Hollywood is racist and will always be" rant

Again, another poor attempt at throwing whatever label you can at me to make up for the fact your arguments have been debunked and you don't want to admit so.

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and I never heard of any controversey about the Joy Luck Club.

You just have as I proved it to you in this thread. You ignoring that doesn't change the fact it does exist.

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As I said, you attack on Hollywood whitewashing Asian but yet you defend Asian being cast in caucasian characters. I don't understand how a Japanese person playing as Spiderman is any different from a white person playing a Japanese character in Akira.

I've already explained this to you a month ago. I've linked to that thread in this thread and have repeated at least 3 times that fact and you keep ignoring what I wrote. Don't know why you think that is working for you.

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So you don't play video game huh, I bet you don't watch any other anime beside Akira and DBZ. Do you know the series, Negima? Because the live-action Tv show based on Negima that was made in Japan was really bad.

I've seen many other anime series and movies. Not Negima. As far as what you say about the casting the simple fact that the country of Japan is homogenous unlike the United States makes the comparison wrong. There are not that many non-Asians, let alone non-Japanese in Japan and let alone that work in the Japanese film industry. Therefore casting a Japanese actor to play a role that is originally not Asian but needs to be spoken in Japanese is really the only option.

This is also the reason why setting Akira in New York still doesn't take away the fact that Asian Americans can still play the lead roles because the United States, unlike Japan, is very multicultural especially Manhattan.

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Even if you're not violating any rules, all you just doing is just soapboxing and throwing your own rant.

This isn't soap-boxing evidenced by the fact that I entered this thread by directly replying to your comment. If anything it is you that is soap-boxing because you went ahead and brought up points that have already been proven wrong a month ago but repeated them anyway just to say them again. All I did was reply to that comment of yours here.

Furthermore, I made quite clear what I was talking about and why I brought it up in this thread. People here were bringing up reasons why supposedly this movie being made is a good thing. Well I argued why it isn't a good thing and the casting issue is why it is a relevant point of the production. It was even brought up in the previous thread I was in way before I even entered the discussion.

You are simply frustrated that your arguments have been proven wrong and instead of just being mature and admitting so you have tried a number of things to dismiss me including flat out ignoring the very replies that prove you wrong. It's incredibly childish.

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Akira would probably fail regardless if the actors is caucasian or Asian. When it comes to live-action based on anime, it can go good or bad. As Enurtsol said a few page ago

Well, frankly any movie "can go good or bad". My point is that if this Akira production is made with the white washed casting then it only hurt Asian American actors further if the movie is successful.

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To any Moderator: Please close this thread, this is not going anyway productive.

You are not the only person on this board nor thread. With the exception of one reply you are the only person replying to me and since I came it's only been you and I.

So it seems that "productive" in your mind means someone saying that you are correct. Well, I am sorry. You are not correct and I proved it so multiple times. This discussion would go a lot better if you wouldn't be dishonest by ignoring points and evidence that is brought up and wrongfully calling for threads to be closed and people to be banned just because you immaturely refuse to admit you were wrong.

Superman is also an Alien but has always been played by white men.

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Well, frankly any movie "can go good or bad". My point is that if this Akira production is made with the white washed casting then it only hurt Asian American actors further if the movie is successful.

This is Hollywood in a nutshell.

Noone is hurting anyone. Retelling of stories made into movie solely for entertainment purpose. Whether it was successful or not, like what you like. These people are actors/actress are part of the entertainment industry no matter what race and culture background one comes from. But, however, suggestively any person would be grateful if someone from their own culture gets to play the part that is suitable.

white should not be the default main character of all Hollywood films.

mdo7: Before you start again, I fail to see how I am being contradictory. Please see the previous thread.

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Superman is also an Alien but has always been played by white men.

In America.

In India, he's......................... Indian Superman!!!!!

I guess my biggest concern as a whole is the general apathy from some of the posters on the ANN forums concerning the blatant racism involved in some of these adaptations.

To those with the Goku is an alien and therefore "ought" to be white: As far as I can tell, even though Goku is an "alien" he is still Japanese in the sense of that he looks pretty similar to all the other Japanese characters depicted in the manga and anime. This is regardless of the fact that Dragon Ball itself is an adaptation of a Chinese novel. Anyway, since young Japanese males were probably the target audience of Dragon Ball, it would make the most sense that Goku, the main character, resemble the target audience in some respects. If the main intention was to portray Goku as decidedly alien, but humanoid in some aspects, he might as well look like Piccolo. Generally in anime, non-Japanese characters are often explicitly portrayed as being different. The default assumption for the original audience would be that the main characters are Japanese unless otherwise noted or specified.

The reason I believe he ought to have been portrayed by an actor of Asian descent is because white should not be the default main character of all Hollywood films. If you see no issue with white as the default response for nearly every "American" main character, then I am afraid I lack the appropriate tools in conversing with you. Erasing and downplaying the distinct Asian influences of the source material, either in the live action Akira, Dragon Ball, or otherwise is really a slap in the face to the original creators and whole cultures.

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I guess my biggest concern as a whole is the general apathy from some of the posters on the ANN forums concerning the blatant racism involved in some of these adaptations. To those with the Goku is an alien and therefore "ought" to be white: As far as I can tell, even though Goku is an "alien" he is still Japanese in the sense of that he looks pretty similar to all the other Japanese characters depicted in the manga and anime. This is regardless of the fact that Dragon Ball itself is an adaptation of a Chinese novel. Anyway, since young Japanese males were probably the target audience of Dragon Ball, it would make the most sense that Goku, the main character, resemble the target audience in some respects. If the main intention was to portray Goku as decidedly alien, but humanoid in some aspects, he might as well look like Piccolo. Generally in anime, non-Japanese characters are often explicitly portrayed as being different. The default assumption for the original audience would be that the main characters are Japanese unless otherwise noted or specified. The reason I believe he ought to have been portrayed by an actor of Asian descent is because white should not be the default main character of all Hollywood films. If you see no issue with white as the default response for nearly every "American" main character, then I am afraid I lack the appropriate tools in conversing with you. Erasing and downplaying the distinct Asian influences of the source material, either in the live action Akira, Dragon Ball, or otherwise is really a slap in the face to the original creators and whole cultures.

This is still Hollywood in a nutshell.

Actually Dragon Ball Evolution didn't do so well in America as being stereotype as Asian minority groups being "Aliens" and he should be "White". However, Dragon Ball Evolution actually did very well in Asia's box office, old news but still news regardless: animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-16/live-action-dragonball-opens-no.1-in-5-asian-markets

Even if Goku was portrayed by Justin Chatwin being "White" American.... Canadian... Simply because the person is playing different character in a costume. How is he different from other people come from various cultures and background being in a cosplay? Itself already diminishes racism between cultures.

Also, "mistaken, myopic and misguided" are not insults to you or tempest personally. This is only in regards to the topic at hand.

"Mistaken" and "misguided" because you both argue that this movie being made would be a good thing.

"Myopic" because your argument is limited in scope as it does not acknowledge the racist casting practices.

A successful manga based movie will also lead to more anime movies, creating further benefit and funding more anime & manga.

If internet streaming can not lead to an increase in sales of DVDs, merchandise, and manga, there's no way a movie is going to do it, especially when the movie's stripped of anything relating it to anime and manga.