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Key
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I should have known that Multiple Intelligence Theory would rear its head at some point, and so cut it off at the pass. My error for not specifically disallowing it earlier. Just so we're clear, this tournament is about intelligence and cleverness in the classical sense - i.e. the kind of intelligence that focuses on strategy, reasoning, computational ability, problem-solving, and adaptiveness. We are not going to start having debates about who should be considered intelligent because they're high on the Body-Kinesthetic ratings or are a whiz at Interpersonal or Spatial intelligence. And I'll write that into the first post's rules if necessary to prevent these intelligence debates from ever going in that direction again. |
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Ggultra2764
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And it's now after midnight. There goes one of my bracket choices for the finals.
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Key
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Round 4 Group A is now closed.
Official results will soon be posted here, but barring me discovering an error on the double-check, they should be the same as Ggultra2764's last tally. Looks like the seeds both survived in two hard-fought battles. (And I'm 2/2 on designating the right seeds!) Anyway, the next round will be up soon. I think that one may be highly competitive, too. |
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Key
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Round 4 Group B is now closed.
As with Group A, we have all-new video clips for all pairings. Guide: Group B Guide Group B-29 The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo [ Video Clip ] vs. Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena [ Video Clip ] Winner: The Count Total: 20-1 Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf [ Video Clip ] vs. Aizen Sousuke, Bleach [ Video Clip ] Winner: Horo Total: 15-6 Last edited by Key on Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:09 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Ggultra2764
Subscriber Posts: 3894 Location: New York state. |
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Group B-29: Count of Monte Cristo
This was a tough one for me to think over. Both are manipulators and created guises to conceal their intentions. But, I've heard that the Count had planned out his goals for years while I never got a sense of how Akio laid out his plans. So, I'm gonna go with the Count this round. Group B-30: Horo the Wise (Spice and Wolf) Hands down, I'm going with Horo. Aizen's manipulations are against people of lower intelligence than he is while Horo deals with merchants who regularly deceive those that they deal with. |
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Key
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Group B-29
The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo [ Video Clip ] vs. Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena [ Video Clip ] Hmmm, a battle of two world-class schemers, each of whom has meticulously manipulated events in their respective series towards specific goals. They have very different styles - The Count has a go-for-the-jugular style which involves engineering custom-made maximum torment on his targets, while Akio is much more about manipulating people through deception - but each has compelling arguments in their favor which should make it a tight race. But it won't be. I feel certain that this will be a blow-out in The Count's favor, even though I think he is only very marginally the better choice. Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf [ Video Clip ] vs. Aizen Sousuke, Bleach [ Video Clip ] I dearly, dearly want to vote for Horo here, but this clip shows the beginning of Aizen's "big reveal," which shows that he has had his hand in manipulating the course of nearly every event shown in the series to that point (we're talking 60+ episodes here). You have to be one damn good - and smart - schemer to pull off something that intricate and still cover your tracks, even if you are dealing with idiots. As sly and clever as Horo is, even she can't match that. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Minigame rankings haven't changed much at all since last round, but scores have a little. See for yourself. It was a mostly unsurprising outcome.
Template: Group B-29 The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena vs. Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf vs. Aizen Souskue, Bleach Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: |
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ccdx
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All brackets and mini-game scores updated at: http://home.comcast.net/~unirizer2/
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Ggultra2764
Subscriber Posts: 3894 Location: New York state. |
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Ugh. I've gone down in ranking again.
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guet
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Group B-29
The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo [ Video Clip ] vs. Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena [ Video Clip ] Voting for: The Count Reason: The clip for Akio was not convincing, although I believe the Count is nearing the end of his run, he still gets my vote for now. Vote change: Possible Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf [ Video Clip ] vs. Aizen Sousuke, Bleach [ Video Clip ] Voting for: Horo Reason: I'm as big a fan of Bleach as the next person, but I have to admit that so far in the entire series, Aizen has been a sort of one-trick mastermind. All of his plans and manipulations come to fruition in the clip shown here. After that.... not so much. Urahara is at least as deserving in my opinion, and he did not make it past the first round facing strong opposition. Horo is a strong contender, and deserving of winning the bracket in my opinion. Her cleverness is shown every time she is on screen. Vote change: None |
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LydiaDianne
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Group B-29
The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo [ Video Clip ] vs. Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena [ Video Clip ] I'm going to have to go with {b]The Count[/b] on this round. I just think that he's the better choice here. Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf [ Video Clip ] vs. Aizen Sousuke, Bleach [ Video Clip ] Sticking with Aizen, he's just more manipulative to me. |
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dtm42
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Don't worry about it. I gave up the Minigame weeks ago when I realised that I'd unfortunately made some (okay, a lot of) poor choices. Even though I technically can still win it, I don't really care; I'm having enough fun voting and debating as it is. Of course, it was still a sad sad day when I dropped five places in a single go, but them's the breaks. P.S. Those tables/charts/graphs are really good Dorcas_Aurelia. Please keep them coming. |
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Aylinn
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Group B-29
The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena vs. Voting For: Akio Ohtori I'm still torn between Akio and The Count of Monte Cristo but for the time being I vote in favour of Akio. Possibility of Change: Yes Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf vs. Aizen Souskue, Bleach Voting For: Horo Reason: Horo outsmarted more intelligent people, which is more impressive than Aizen's achievement in deceiving idiots. Plus, I agree with guet's assessment of Aizen being "one-trick mastermind". Possibility of Change: None |
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marie-antoinette
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Group B-29
Voting for: The Count of Monte Cristo Reasons: Akio hasn't convinced me that he's better than the Count, who is one of the few characters in this thing I actually am familiar with. Group B-30 Voting for: Horo the Wise Reasons: Mini-game be damned, I'm voting against a seed for once. The "one-trick mastermind" argument helped, plus the fact that I have become quite intrigued by Horo in general (not sure if that would be enough to make me watch Spice and Wolf though, IIRC the premise didn't greatly interest me). |
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abunai
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Group B-29
The Count of Monte Cristo, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo [ Video Clip ] vs. Akio Ohtori, Revolutionary Girl Utena [ Video Clip ] I find this choice fairly uncomplicated. Although I think Akio deserves a shot at the majors, he is simply facing too tough competition here. My vote goes to the Count. Group B-30 Horo the Wise, Spice and Wolf [ Video Clip ] vs. Aizen Sousuke, Bleach [ Video Clip ] Everybody is overestimating Horo, and underestimating Captain Aizen. She may call herself "wise", but I don't buy into the hype. My vote goes to Aizen Sousuke. - abunai |
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