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Zendervai
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Yeah, we probably will. Remember, Amazon wasn’t really paying for the production of those shows. I think both of those are also in the hands of Sentai now. I’ve seen people worried about future home video releases, but that’s not really an issue. Sentai has the bulk of the Strike stuff and the rest of it (the Noitamina and Animeism stuff), Amazon probably doesn’t really care who gets the home video license. But like, Made in Abyss? I highly doubt the production committee greenlit it based on the potential licensing fee. That’d be idiotic, since even now, there’s the occasional show that inexplicably falls through the cracks. Licensing fees are a great way to make up the cost after the fact, but unless the licensor is a member of the production committee (like Crunchyroll keeps turning out to be) you can’t really budget for it, since you don’t actually know how much it is. Also, an Answerman from a few days ago pointed out that most TV anime productions nowadays have really, really similar budgets. |
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TasteyCookie
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As mentioned previously, Amazon had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of these two series. They already had a production committee and both had started producing the series before Sentai(with some of Amazon's money) paid for international streaming. Amazon was in no way a part of the production committee and therefore was absolutely in no way contributing to the actual realization of either of those two shows being made into anime. |
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DeTroyes
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This. Some of the best shows of 2017, including Just Because!, Inuyashiki, Re:Creators, and Made in Abyss, were Amazon-exclusive. And most of their other titles were also top notch (the only real dud I can think of was Vatican Miracle Examiners). There was nothing wrong with their choices of shows, but it should have been rolled into the regular streaming service like Netflix and Hulu are doing (although so far as I can tell, Hulu doesn't have any exclusives, just mostly existing Funimation titles). I wouldn't mind it if Amazon continued to pick up anime. But they really need to look at what Crunchyroll, Netflix, and others are doing and produce dubs to at least some of their more popular exclusives. Re:Creators and Made in Abyss, among others, would really benefit from a dub. |
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DmonHiro
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While AS did a lot of things (well, most of them) wrong it did do one thing right: weekly episodes (delayed sometimes, but still). Sadly, the curse of Netflix still harms us. But the curse might be lifted soon. Unless you're in the US.
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Snakebit1995
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Not to mention the product was bad. Constantly late, missing substitles a thing pretty much essential to streaming anime. People would have grown to stomuch the paywall had the product been above and beyond, but it was worse than what fans were getting almost a decade ago. As someone who got into anime in college in the early 2010's I was never around for anything as poor as Anime Strike's quality of life things, I'm not aware of CR or Funi ever have a consistent problem being on time or straight up missing the words their fans needed to enjoy the product in recent memory. |
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DerekL1963
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Amazon's biggest problem, and one Justin and everyone else here seems to miss, is that they're still largely stuck on charging for the individual item... when everyone else has long since moved onto "all you can eat". Anime Strike wasn't the problem, it's the symptom of a deeper problem - and the reason Amazon Video (in general) is a distant third. Their clunky interface (UI/UX) and general lack of marketing doesn't help matters either.
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DmonHiro
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Amazon had nothing to do with the creation of either of those shows. |
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Toonces
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Not to defend the service too much, but I don't think you needed the $99 Prime for Strike. You did need Amazon Video ($10.99), so there was still a double pay wall, but not as bad as one would imagine. This speaks to how ineffectively they communicated about the service.
I'm pretty sure Amazon will still be in the market, as they have some programming block deals, but they might probably won't be as active as they were last year (only a couple shows per season, like this one).
They could stand to advertise their anime a little more (I think Ajin and maybe Knights of Sidonia are the only anime they've tweeted about at all), but generally I'd agree that Netflix spends more money and effort on their anime and making it accessible to a variety of different fans.
The thing is, they didn't really pick all of those. They funded Sentai, who got things like Made in Abyss or Land of the Lustrous. I doubt they really cared enough to have much input. Those are confirmed to get home releases, and will almost certainly get dubs. Other than certain Anime block deals they have with Noitamina, Animeism etc., I'm not sure how much they pick and choose anime. I think maybe Re:Creators and Welcome to the Ballroom are a couple exceptions that they picked themselves, otherwise a lot of their stuff just comes from those deals. |
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lossthief
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was it ever actually confirmed Sentai was getting money from Amazon to purchase titles? I've seen that assumption passed around a LOT since they started putting simulcasts on Strike, but never saw any official confirmation. As it stands, everything I've seen suggests Sentai's remained its own entity throughout this, and Strike was a stopgap to help bolster their simulcast audience while trying to get HiDive's infrastructure ready to actually compete with Crunchyroll, as evidence by them already bringing some of Strike's "exclusives" from Spring 17 to HiDive in the US and Canada. Not to mention that Amazon was licensing its own shows totally separate from Sentai, which doesn't seem particularly useful if you already have a company doing that for you. Either way, I can't say I'm sad to see Strike go. While it wasn't a huge price for me, since I have Prime through a family member and only had to pay for Strike myself, it was frankly still insulting to be paying every month for a service that would all too reliably deliver episodes late, without subtitles, or with mistimed or straight up incorrect subtitles (as in, putting the subs for episode 4 on episode 5). Amazon has a few titles they'll still be simulcasting going forward, but if this is the level of effort they're putting in I'm more than happy to see them leave the market.
Yeah, if you take away series that Sentai licensed, Strike's actual offerings were pretty slim. Across almost 2 years their total licenses include: Noitamina: Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress (Pre-strike) Battery (Pre-strike) The Great Passage Scum's Wish Saekano Flat Dive!! Inuyashiki After the Rain Animeism: Rage of Bahamut: Virgin Soul Altair: A Record of Battles Yuki Yuna is a Hero S2 Beatless Killing Bites and outside of those deals: Vivid Strike! Chi's Sweet Home (Short) OniHei Re:Creators Welcome to the Ballroom Kokkoku Some of those have proven popular, and others really haven't. A lot of Strike's most well-hyped shows (Abyss, LandLust, Princess Principal) were from Sentai and likely won't remain exclusive to Amazon for much longer. Last edited by lossthief on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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thenix
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There is so much talk about the anime industry needing money. Pirating is bad because the industry doesn't get the money. Working conditions for anime employees are bad because they have to fit in the small budgets because they don't profit enough from the sales. Well Anime Strike brought more money to the anime industry. The competition that another, big backed streaming site brought was potentially a good thing too. Anime Strike failing is bad for the Anime industry. Running up costs on licensing is bad for streaming sites, not for the anime industry. Fans having to pay more is bad for the fans not for the anime industry. |
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Utsuro no Hako
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No, but Amazon did dump a truckload of money on the production committees for rights. My understanding is that Amazon and Netflix exclusive series are profitable before they're even released. |
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thenix
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I don't think Amazon's goal was to rule the anime streaming business, I think their goal was to get anime fans who don't have a prime subscription to sign up. It fits in with their "Channels" department so they slotted it in there. Their other channels also have a cost beyond the prime paywall. |
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Key
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The one thing I will miss about AS is that it had all of the anime options neatly arranged in one place. Not so much true with it all being melded into Prime Video in general and something that Netflix has far from perfected, either.
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Яeverse
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This, it was so convenient to just bookmark their page and sort by newest arrivals. Now its hard to find the previous animes. |
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TasteyCookie
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While we'll never know specifics of how much Amazon paid Sentai or whether they contributed to Sentai getting licenses in the first place, we DO know that Sentai has retained the master streaming licenses for those services. Which means Amazon would have HAD to pay Sentai something in order to put them on Anime Strike. Which means Amazon was giving money to Sentai regardless of whether Sentai was able to get the licenses themselves in the first place. Though with the amount of shows Sentai was able to license before using Anime Strike... it indicates that Amazon's cash that was used to host shows on Strike greatly helped Sentai pay for licenses. |
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