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braves
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Now that I remember, I snickered at Zac saying that he didn't want to dump too much on the Hetalia dub, but he didn't seem to hold back anyways. It's always a different situation when you, presumably, know some of the people involved and try to criticize their work. |
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jsevakis
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Pretty much entirely accurate, though there are exceptions (the names of which elude me at the moment). |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Difference being this isn't dub only. If it was and the dub mad it unwatchable to you then buying it makes little sense. Saying that, I bought Cardcaptors VHS tapes since I thought if no-one bought them there'd be no chance of a subbed release. There never was of course (they never even finished off the dub) |
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Cheesecracker
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It's not a matter of density. I know that's just your opinion. I just thought it qualified as unintentionally funny. It's like you reached into hammer space(I just learned what that means  ) and pancaked the dubs with your opinion and then threw out 'but YMMV' as a consolation prize. The steam still rising off the carcass....
I saw a parallel with Justin's use of the 'Unintentionally funny' tag.
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MeggieMay
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Well I've kept out of this until now but I guess I should say my thoughts on this podcast. First, when you said SDCC was the best con you'd been to in years (or maybe it was just this year) Zac, my first thought actually popped out of my mouth in the car, spoiler[which was "so you got laid?" (in a very snarky voice) and no, I do NOT want a answer to know a answer to that - it's just what came to mind when you said it ]
 The things that cross my mind listening to podcasts spoiler[ it might also say something about myself but lets not go there :blush: ]  .
Next, I thought the discussion with Aaron was interesting. The move away from physical media to streaming is something I'm seeing in all media and I feel it is a real and major shift in the way people consume entertainment. Still, I keep finding myself still buying DVDs and BD's and I really don't know why other than I tend to like to watch things at truly weird times of the day or night and I tend to still have issues with streaming media (if it's not a browser issue, then my connection can not be up to it at times). Still, I don't buy physical media for collecting these days, FWIW. I know when I filled out the online survey at Funi I said I'd rather keep the disks cheap than go back to the Geneon model (I'm really curious to hear how that survey turns out, actually). Last, your discussion with Hope, which I only realized later was the pun for this weeks episode title (I actually try not to look over the show notes before I listen so I can be surprised by the discussion). I got taken for surprise on that one because I didn't read the show notes. Hope's always a interesting person to listen to, so it was nice to hear her as an addition to this weeks podcast. That said, Justin, you asked why people seem to like her video reviews so much. I'm not surprised she can't answer that question - I always get the feeling that most people can't really tell you why others follow them/like them. So I thought I'd say why I like her video reviews. I like Hope's video reviews because at the heart of them are well thought out reviews that explain why she does/doesn't like things and she does it in a way that I can recognize as a traditional review. Because I grew up following reviewers like Siskel and Ebert I can figure out what it is she's trying to say, what she likes and dislikes and then figure out how that fits with my likes and dislikes and how I should interpret her take on things verse how I may see them. Which is a wordy way of saying I can watch her reviews and enjoy what she's saying, whether I agree or not, and get a idea if I might like the show. Hope also seems to have a lot of charisma as well. She seems to have a way about her, when she's in a formal setting (the reviews being more formal than say a online chat) of catching your attention and having you stop and listen to her and taker her seriously (and forget she's only like twenty years old - something I personally keep forgetting). I'm not sure if that answer your question about Hope, Justin, but I thought I'd let you know my take on the subject. |
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Charred Knight
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I think people often confuse intelligence with sub-par storytelling. I mean how the hell does Shinji's navel gazing make any sense, does Shinji blackout, have a hallucination in the middle of a road for 5 minutes drooling? Is it like a seizure? I mean at least Gurren Lagann has some substance, it was an attempt to show how Super Robots plots can be just as good as Real robot plots. |
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shamisen the great
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collectors- As a compulsive collector, the move away from physical media fills me with dread. I realize it's not practical or even sensible to collect things I will probaly only use a handful of times, but that sense of ownership feels so satisfying. I guess it's kind of an addiction. I'll eventually have to adjust, but I'm not happy about it. Scott Pilgrim- I was already psyched for this and now am looking forward to it even more after your review. Wolf's Rain- I won't argue whether it's good or not (personally I think it is great), but I have to bring up that it has one of my favorite Yoko Kanno soundtracks. |
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Dessa
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Fifteening really needs to be added to the lexicon. I'd add it myself, but I can't word it concisely enough. Fifteening is when a company takes something that is not or mildly offensive/inappropriate/vulgar, and purposefully "ups" the level of it, to get a higher rating (this term predating the US rating system, it's based on the British rating system, which had "15" as the highest [non-adult only, I'm assuming] rating). I've seen most of the original. Yes, there are points where it's mildly offensive, but I wouldn't rate it higher than a 15+. Yet, here's the quote from ANN's article on the premiere and panel:
They're purposefully making it vulgar and offensive, to justify the 18+ rating. The article also mentions how Japan's voice actor had to repeatedly re-record his lines to make it more offensive. Yet Japan is the most soft-spoken and polite character in the show. |
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shamisen the great
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Megiddo
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I see that you didn't see my first message. I'll underline and bold it this time. Hetalia is 18+ because in episode 8 Italy gets sent back to Germany in a box that has the word "F*ck" (uncensored) right on top of the box. In the USA, that word immediately makes the show 18+. So you are wrong in saying this was fifteening. The content by itself was enough to warrant the 18+ rating. Even if it was sub only (with very faithful translations) the show would still be rated 18+ Do you get it now? |
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GloriousMaximus
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I haven't seen the Hetalia dub so I can't say whether or not its good, but I should point out my reasoning as to why the show was rated TV-MA. I'm not sure if racist is the right word to use, but the show was certainly controversial and offensive to a lot of people when it was first coming out in Japan. Weren't some people in South Korea so offended of the portrayl of SK that they wanted the show to be stopped?
And no, not every show or movie that has the F word immediately becomes 18+, PG-13 movies are allowed to have a rando F bomb. If anyone is interested in learning more about movie ratings in the US, I'd recommend watching the documentary "This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated". I loved this podcast! I seem to be a disappearing demographic of those dvd and blu-ray collectors. I feel your pain Aaron! I also feel the pain of fanservice leaking into everything I want to watch.... what is up with that?! I find that too much fanservice just ruins a show or even a manga... I can't stand the Sgt. Frog manga because the fanservice is just too much. A little fanservice might not take that much away from the show, but when it becomes so intrusive to the presentation of the story and the show, the anime, in my opinion anyway, can become totally unwatchable. |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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Funimation is always EXTREMELY conservative in assigning their age ratings. I don't know their reasoning behind this one (my money is on the on-screen F-bomb) but I've had to reconsider plenty of their age ratings when they give them to me for streaming stuff.
I blame the fact that they live in Texas. Living in fear of the ultra-religious is probably part of the culture. I, meanwhile, have no morals whatsoever.
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Megiddo
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You seem to have confused the MPAA ratings with TV ratings.
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Dessa
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The only clear guide I could find as to the anime ratings (located here on amazon), clearly shows that language, especially such an isolated incident, would be a 16+. 17+ is used for near-adult series, and 18+ is used for hentai. There is no reason for Hetalia to get the same rating as porn.
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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The TV age ratings, the old Pioneer "UP" age rating system, the purple ones ADV used to use, and the thermometer Urban Vision used to use, are all self-assigned and don't have set parameters. It's up to the completely subjective opinion of whatever company's marketing department to assign them.
This has resulted in some weird ones, such as CPM giving Genocyber a 13-up rating, despite graphic, dripping gore and shota-molesting. I think this is just one of those times. Don't bother trying to analyze for consistent rules because there aren't any. |
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