Forum - View topicNEWS: Virtual Child Porn Ban Proposed in UK Parliament
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grgspunk
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Can you rephrase that? It doesn't make any sense.
The only "line" that exists on the publisher's side is whether he wants to create something with a certain type of content in the material. The only "line" that exists on the reader/viewer side is whether the person desires to read/watch it or not. That's really all there is to it as far as fictional content is concerned. Every other "factor" is merely arbitrary and artificial. |
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CCSYueh
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Excuse me, but the pedophiles REALLY don't need to settle for cartoon/drawn stufff when there are kids all over the place. Any one of those nice people sitting on that park bench watching kids play could be "creepily thinking" about those children. That person over in the corner munching his/her meal at the fast food joint idly watching the kids play could be "creepily thinking" about those children. I was on the fryers when the cashier on shift at the fast food restaurant I worked at 20 yrs ago commented the male driver of the car she'd just finished with had no pants on. (Yeah, that stuck with me all these years-that there are sickos out there like that.) My god, there's no shortage of cute kid pics posted on the net for these people. They really don't need to resort to drawn stuff. |
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Zin5ki
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Ahh. True that. Thanks for keeping me level-headed there.
In context of this subject, I know exactly who. (Link probably NSFW.) |
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jr240483
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Luckily i'm not from the UK,but a lot of my otaku friends are.I guess they'll be erasing all their nanoha and kodomo no jikan pictures then.Feel sorry for the UK otakus. At least we have something called the 1st Admendment.
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mdo7
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As soon as I read this article, I think I have a idea why this legislation in UK is happening against the child porn, including manga depicting it. God, UK is such a nanny state. I'm glad we seperated from them during the American Revolution.
How many of you read gamepolitics. Because I think I can relate this to a GP articles. http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/02/11/british-mp-keith-vaz-criticizes-japanese-rape-game039s-availability-amazon http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/02/12/amazon-pulls-rape-game-following-news-report-political-pressure http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/03/10/leigh-alexander-controversial-rape-game-japanese-problem-not-american-one |
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Navak
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I don't believe there is a legal definition of obscenity...that is part of the whole issue i.e. community standards. |
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Josh7289
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This. |
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Zin5ki
Posts: 6680 Location: London, UK |
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Nothing's happened as of yet. These people have broken no laws thus far, and even if our legal system manages to pass this bill I doubt the authorities would be able to police it, considering the sheer amount of hentai (I'd estimate a good 25% of all adult doujin) which would immediately become illegal. |
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abunai
Old Regular
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"Pithy" does not automatically equal "intelligent". Kindly make an effort to present your opinions lucidly, Josh7289, or don't post. I would like to remind everyone that this thread is being watched carefully, as are all threads dealing with this or related subjects. I'll leave the rest of the admonition up to your individual imaginations. - abunai |
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Aoi_Sekai
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And thus the continuation of breaching Human Rights and Freedom of Artistic Expression of the EU over here in the UK, New Labour has already screwed the economy up enough already, we've become a Big Brother State, it's even a hate crime just recently if you critisize Scientology. This will literally make thousands of Anime/Manga/Comic Book fans instant criminals. I mean the prisons are in shambles enough as it is, and they want to throw more unnecessary people in? Only because the government deems certain images to be 'distasteful' and nothing more, never mind whether or not the characters look under 18.
So this is Witch Hunt number what now? 1st the whole Fetish Ban under unreasonable grounds. There is a 'LARGE' difference between Lolicon and CP but I guess the government is too mentally challanged (no offense to the mentally challanged) to differentiate reality and fantasy. They might aswell ban Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park and bucket load of games for the violence, sexualised characters, unnecessary gore and racial slurs. Think even Gordon Brown was even planning to support a tax on Violent Videogames... Blaming inanimate objects is really old fashioned. If parents didn't leave the TV and the Internet to do their job in raising kids, there wouldn't be so much blame on inanimate objects or media, that is if said parents are of sound mind to begin with. Pedophiles are Pedophiles because they go for young real girls, Murderers are Murderers for killing innocent people. Labelling people Murderers/Pedophiles or anything when no acutual crime is committed is so backwards thinking, what age are we in? Medieval? I can see all of Ken Akamatsu's work be gone and the likes of Haruhi or Judge Dredd even. Hell might aswell kill my Youtube account since majority of my faves are Anime and Touhou related. *Sighs* getting closer to Totalarianism. Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him. Check this site out for more crazy laws, censorships and just plain ignorant moves by governements, especially the UK latley http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/index.htm |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Heh.. and just as I have a Nanoha box set winging it's way over.. perhaps this is why the last volume of Strike Witches seems to be taking it's sweet time getting through the post :p I'm starting to feel really glad I just picked up a BlackArmour drive. Just a pity I had to RMA it the day it arrived (it's also not encouraging that after filling in Seagate's RMA form they ask you if you want to return anything else...) |
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nargun
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Snort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_US_constitution#Freedom_of_speech "The Supreme Court never ruled on the constitutionality of any federal law regarding the Free Speech Clause until the 20th century." "Thus, the Supreme Court effectively shaped the First Amendment in such a manner as to permit a multitude of restrictions on speech." "Freedom of speech was influenced by anti-communism during the Cold War. In 1940, the Congress enacted the Smith Act. The Smith Act made punishable the advocacy of "the propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force and violence." The law was mainly used as a weapon against Communist leaders. The constitutionality of the Act was questioned in Dennis v. United States 341 U.S. 494 (1951). The Court upheld the law in 1951 by a 6-2 vote (Justice Tom C. Clark did not participate because he had previously ordered the prosecutions when he was Attorney General)." And so forth. The First Amendment to the US constitution is, bluntly, a dead letter: the constitutional jurisprudence has built up in such a way that the plain and unambiguous language of the text is, well, I'd call it "subverted" but "ignored" seems more accurate. And that's political speech, advocacy, the explicit reason the amendment was made in the first place. You start looking at what you might call "recreational" speech, like say "obscenity", and the situation's even worse. Bluntly: the first amendment to the US constitution is a dead letter, and protects nothing. Not legally; the courts have pretty much left it filleted. As a cultural artefact it might occasionally have some effect, but that's hardly worth crowing about on an international forum. |
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Luna Loving
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To be honest, the UK has much bigger fish to fry than this. I agree with the above statements- its not much cup of tea, but at least its an alternative for those who are interested in it, rather than actual paedophillia.
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Zin5ki
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Has this law been passed yet? People seem to be talking as if it has, but I was at expecting the ANN article to be updated upon such an outcome occuring. |
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Mohawk52
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