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NEWS: Kodomo no Jikan Second Term Anime's Promo Streamed

2DOtaku wrote:

Well, I've watched the video, and disturbing as it is, I don't see how it's at all related to this discussion. It doesn't mention anywhere that lolicon is to blame for anything. Music, TV, porn and magazines, yes, but not lolicon. Oh, and parents. It mentions that too.

I guess you missed it when they also mentioned video games. What they were saying is that all media in general is a contributing factor, and yes irresponsible parents as well. The only reason lolicom wasn't mentioned was because it is still relativly unknown to 98% of all UK parents and teachers and the general understanding of Japanese cartoons is still "thoses porn cartoons" and still only think it's only sick pervs that watch thoses. But you can bet your life that had they known, it would have been in there, no mistake. I know what my two children watch and are restricted to on the internet as we only have the one PC in our house and I am its administrator. Their accounts are restricted with filters, and besides they grew up knowing the difference between right and wrong, and still get lessons from time to time. We do not allow them to have a computer in their room with unlimited internet access, and there will never be a web cam attached to our computer as long as I am its admin. My son and daughter don't like it, but understand why it has to be that way. When they are 18, and can afford their own way, they can do what they like, and reap the benefits, or suffer the consequences. But I will go to my grave knowing that I set them on the right rails. Like it was stated in that report, children need friends their own age. Adults have to be parents first, and friends to their children only afterwards.

pparker wrote:

See, you are assuming that evaluation. Yes, I am sure there are certain otaku who are so depraved as to think of Rin in a sexual manner. That has nothing to do with the literal script, and I don't think anyone here thinks of Rin as a sexual target.

So if that has nothing to do at all with the "literal script" and you don't think any of the overt sexuality in the series is intended in any way to arouse the appetites of lolicon otaku, then please explain the existence of merchandise like this:

http://alafista.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/images/october07/111.jpg

This is licensed, approved merchandise. It's not some kind of bootleg or a garage kit designed by some depraved fringe element misinterpreting the series. This is licensed merchandise from the series. It's clear what they're going for here.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I still don't think my original question has been answered, and to be honest, I wasn't really expecting an answer in the first place. I asked that question semi-rhetorically, knowing in advance that it has no logical answer, the reason being that you can't blame lolicon, or TV, or video games for anything, because in the end, atrocities are committed by people, not things.

Now one might say that these things act as influences, but a person ought to know the difference between right and wrong, and if they don't, well blame their parents.

Mohawk52 wrote:

2DOtaku wrote: Well, I've watched the video, and disturbing as it is, I don't see how it's at all related to this discussion. It doesn't mention anywhere that lolicon is to blame for anything. Music, TV, porn and magazines, yes, but not lolicon. Oh, and parents. It mentions that too. I guess you missed it when they also mentioned video games. What they were saying is that all media in general is a contributing factor, and yes irresponsible parents as well. The only reason lolicom wasn't mentioned was because it is still relativly unknown to 98% of all UK parents and teachers and the general understanding of Japanese cartoons is still "thoses porn cartoons" and still only think it's only sick pervs that watch thoses. But you can bet your life that had they known, it would have been in there, no mistake. I know what my two children watch and are restricted to on the internet as we only have the one PC in our house and I am its administrator. Their accounts are restricted with filters, and besides they grew up knowing the difference between right and wrong, and still get lessons from time to time. We do not allow them to have a computer in their room with unlimited internet access, and there will never be a web cam attached to our computer as long as I am its admin. My son and daughter don't like it, but understand why it has to be that way. When they are 18, and can afford their own way, they can do what they like, and reap the benefits, or suffer the consequences. But I will go to my grave knowing that I set them on the right rails. Like it was stated in that report, children need friends their own age. Adults have to be parents first, and friends to their children only afterwards.

Right, so what children view and do on the Internet is the parents' responsibility. That much we can agree on.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I still don't think my original question has been answered, and to be honest, I wasn't really expecting an answer in the first place. I asked that question semi-rhetorically, knowing in advance that it has no logical answer, the reason being that you can't blame lolicon, or TV, or video games for anything, because in the end, atrocities are committed by people, not things. Now one might say that these things act as influences, but a person ought to know the difference between right and wrong, and if they don't, well blame their parents. I've played games like Doom since long before I was old enough to, but still I knew better than to go out and commit a massacre. Education, and good parenting - that's how you prevent harm.

This is getting a tad grandiose for me though, so unless there's anything I've missed out, I'll say that's my lot for now.

Me, though, I'm opposed to lolicon and other shitty forms of entertainment because it exploits and degrades the audience. We have pure-food laws because without them manufacturers adulterate and debase their products, and I can't see anything particularly different with entertainment here.

Okay, I'll bite. So Kodomo no Jikan is targeted at lolicons. So what? Can anyone tell me - preferably with examples - exactly what harm that does?

Maybe you're right about KNJ, but I don't really take merchandise as a sign that that is it's primary intention.

It's been awhile, so I'm hazy on specific timelines. Early on we see that Reiji has issues. Yes, he does stand up and take responsibility, though one could say that he has taken advantage of circumstances in developing a romantic relationship with Rin's mother.

But good grief, he's a person capable of even entertaining the thought of raising and then marrying Rin. So what vibe is being transmitted to this impressionable young girl? Once you realize his intentions, his behavior in hindsight is creepy and could certainly influence her sexual precociousness. Wherever she picked up those behaviors (I doubt from her mother. It was probably TV), consciously or not a sexual predator such as Reiji would reinforce such behavior. You may disagree with calling him that, but unless checked by external factors, that's where he's going.

Reiji refuses parent consultations with teachers.

The inappropriateness of Rin's behavior pales in comparison to Reiji's, which is an interesting theme in itself. I don't feel the author was intending to portray Reiji as unredeemable, but giving him a complete pass is unacceptable to me.

Ok hang me by my toes for this but is anyone going to bother to discuss the story? Or just bicker and go back and forth like every other time on the moral issues? Each time I see a thread on this title I wonder if maybe, just maybe, people might discuss THE TITLE (beyond defending the loli element with the "it's got deep story" comments) that the bloody articles are on. Maybe explain some points of the actual story and how it matches with the manga for example. Does second term follow the manga? Is it canon?

The only thing I don't get, and this might be a cultural thing, but if they think each other are bad influences on Rin shouldn't the police be called either way? I'm going to assume that Aoki needs to get evidence of Rin being abused, but why doesn't Reiji do anything?

spoiler[Also: Reiji starting to want to use his daughter as substitute for Rin's mom? ]

I'm still working my way through, I'm only up to chapter 27 but i'll be finished tonight.

The reason noone answered your question was because everyone could tell that the only answer you'd accept was one that entirely agreed with what you already thought.

marek1712 wrote:

Of all the anime genres (or fetishes should I say) I hate loli the most... This thing should be forgotten.

This isn't bad like you think. The only reason it gets a ba rep is because people like you automatically assume its a porno or something.

Who you guys think may end up licensing the series???