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Answerman - Could Patreon Be "Better For The Industry" Than Crunchyroll?

That said, there's no reason why cels couldn't be made purely for promotional purposes or for providing to project backers. I.e. don't actually use them for animation with a camera like in the old days, just make them to sell to fans or to give to high tier supporters. I don't know if that would be more labor than it would be worth or not so there may be reasons why it might be impractical, but just because cels aren't in use for animation anymore doesn't mean that they couldn't be used for promotion.

The vote with your money. Is also simple. but first is important to understand that you want to do one thing, through another. When you pay for something, you're not paying for the quality of the "work done" but for the quality of the "product". The best way to inform that you're liking Fujishima's work is not through money. But through other way of feedback. Sending letters to him and to all people related to the products he makes saying how much you liked his work on it is a way better way than money.

But like I said above is also simple. Just pay for the products that Fujishima has worked on. Soon or later people will understand that the reason of that is because of him, and he will get the reward for that.

The put some money in the pockets of the people doing the grunt work. That is already being made. In the worst case they are being deceived by their employers, but if that was so widespread it would already been stopped, from the own animators, audience and Government.
Is just a fact that what they produce cost a lot more to make than what is worth.
Again unless you're talking of charity, they shouldn't in any way receive more than what they produce is worth.

And so again the solution is the same as what I said before. Make more of they already do or do things with more value.
Note that doing more of what they already do isn't just about spending more time. Is about they being more efficient in their work and even about getting new technology/technique that increases the productivity.

TheArsonAut wrote:

The picture is so grainy it's like watching a DVD from the 80's

...So... Which one do you think this is guys? "Kids these days don't even know what 'VHS' was." or "Kids these days don't even know a 'LaserDisc' was."?

You're not thinking outside the box enough. They could have used that money for literally anything else. Donate it all to Trigger's patreon. Use it to buy a ton of figures and other merchandise and do a giveaway, raffle, or something. The money doesn't have to specifically be used for licensing. Hell, donate it to a random Japanese charity. It'd have definitely done more good there

They used to do this for shows like Bleach and Naruto. They made several mass post production cels for both shows of most of the main characters. You can probably find a couple on auction sites now. I have one of Sasuke and it was fairly well made. Would recommend buying if you like any of those characters.

Rilezu were basically the same thing, just in more limited quantities. The couple I have from Hakuouki were really well made. Definitely worth what I paid for them when I bought them from the studio.

My guess is that they stopped making post-production and rilezu cels because there just wasn't much demand. Not many people want to pay $50 for a post production cel, let alone the usual $300+ that a rilezu would generally sell for.

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Perhaps it is my fault for poor word choice, but the goal is not to say "thank you". Rather the goal is to influcence what is being made. That decision is a business one. It lies with the people who hold the purse strings to fund new projects--i.e. people like production committee members. Sending fanmail is better than nothing, but ultimate nothing speaks louder than money.

Sure, and I already do things like that. The best I can think of, currently, is to buy Japanese releases, which I do. But the problem here is that the money is diluted. A lot of it ends up with middlemen rather than the decision makers. For example, if I were to buy an expensive statue from my favorite show then relatively little of that money makes it back to the person who made the decision to greenlight that show. Most of it ends up spread around a variety of businesses who aren't involved in that criticial decision. Most of it ends up going to the toy company, whose alogorithm is not the same as mine. I want more shows from creator X. The toy company just makes toys for whatever shows happen to be popular at the moment. Those are not congruent goals.

I think the problem is that this is largely subjective. For example, there are various shows that I own on physical media. A lot of them I thought were a killer bargain. I'd gladly pay more money for it, but I really don't have the option to. I feel an awful lot of their work is undervalued.

That sounds like it was quoted out of an economics textbook, and I'm not sure that is even possible. It is very idealistic, and from what little I know of the industry from Justin's articles, it's also very impractical. Don't you feel that if there were ways to work appreciably harder or smarter it wouldn't it already have been done in such a highly competitive industry?

It sounds like Digibro's whole approach is just him trying to justify piracy. Download a bunch of anime illegally, then throw a couple of bucks into the production company's paetron to make yourself feel better about it. How incredibly self-absorbed.

I mean, he's right that there's a lot of bad anime on Crunchyroll, but that's because there's always been a lot of bad anime. But in the past, we never saw most of the bad shows, because only the good (or at least popular) stuff would get translated. Nowadays, almost every show ends up on a streaming service, so western fans get the full lineup of each anime season as it airs in Japan: and surprise, just like every season of western TV, a lot of it is terrible. That's not Crunchyroll's fault and it wouldn't stop if Crunchyroll somehow magically vanished (and High Guardian Spice isn't to blame either.)

You're a little misguided. While nothing speaks louder than money, money doesn't has to speak your intention.

Like I said paying for a product you're only sending a message for that product. That is worth the value placed on it for you.
If you want to send a more specific message, that you like an animator work or a certain characteristic in the product, you have to give that specific feedback explicitly.
Sending a letter was just an example. Another one is signature event, that normaly books have, in their not only you buy the book, but you also can talk a little to the author.
What I'm saying is that you have to directly express that sentiment to the people that made the work. For a producer receiving your money, doesn't tell him anything about the fact that you send it because of animator A, but something like a letter saying that you loved the anime because of animator A and that was the reason why you bought the series and that you will continue to buy products with animator A involvemet, does.

Is in no way subjective.

And you in fact have the option to pay more money for something. You just don't take the extra effort of finding a way to donate money to the people that made the work. Note, Nobody rejects a donation. Certainly no profit based Company.
Find the phone or the address of the company and call or send an email and find a way to do your donation.

What do you mean by undervalue? People love to use that word, but what does it mean? That their work could be valued higher? Well any work can be value higher, in fact you could value anything at any value.

What matter is not what "could", but what "Is".
The fact is that drawing take to much time and effort, but is used/consumed at little value. You can wish for that fact to be different, but wishing doesn't change reality.

In general companies are always looking for new techniques and technologies to be more efficient. That is the reason why anime has been using more and more 3D. And the reason why they moved from Cel to Digital.
Advances on those things are frequently happening, but the thing is that what is gained isn't as incredible as the audience would like. At least not for now, but be sure that in the past animators were doing way worse than what they are doing today.

Also note that as an audience, you can't be asking for more "quality" and expecting animators to earn more also. Asking for more "quality" in fact means, devaluing the "animator" work.

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