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REVIEW: Clannad Sub.DVD

Let me ask you this: have you actually met a girl with "genuine" emotional issues in your life that you can empathize with?

As for myself personally, no and no. Because 1)real women do get emotional, but they're much better at handling their own emotions because they're more skilled at empathy than... 2)us men, do to our brain functions and our testosterone, tend to put our emotions and others' at less of a priority and thus, we're the ones that are more prone to emotional issues because when compared to women, we're emotionally more fragile because we're less empathetic than women.

Which is also why when women do get emotional, they would rather talk to one of their own first through socializing, and us men get referrals to see a psychiatrists. And why the moe anime scenarios are so unrealistic and unbelievable, it's negatively portraying women in general. Because real women don't behave like the ones in moe anime like Air, Kanon, and Clannad.

Then wake up and see the fact of life, for real life is not like moe anime at all not just because moe is a fantasy, but also not ideal.

As good as the series looks, only in the Key emotional scenes does its soundtrack make much of an impact, though it works quite well in those cases. Most of the rest of the time it provides a succession of humdrum musical numbers that sound like they were lifted from the background score for a dating sim.

You don't expect super robots to act like real robots or want to see the hot blooded hero piss his pants, because he is scared of dying. You except the robot to do a rocket punch and see the hero never give up.

Some people don't like unrealistic characters. There's nothing wrong with that, any more than there is in liking unrealistic characters. It's a matter of taste.

That's interesting, because I had the opposite reaction. Clannad was in my "Buy" list until I saw "After Story"
*goes on about how After Story's ending sucked*

I'd say there's still a bias, but more in relation to the definition of the series than the rating it gets.

A "moe anime" is any series where most or all of the girls are moe (as in this one) and the plot is primarily moe-driven, that is, where (as stated in this review) the story centers around the male lead.

People don't like this style of story because 1) it sometimes eliminates strong female leads, women who can take care of themselves

I've yet to hear of one where it's female) goes around fixing the girls' problems, or helping them fix their own problems

(And if anyone brings up my agreement with such snark on the Shigurui thread, I had foolishly assumed that no moe-fan would be reading a thread on an hyperviolent series like Shigurui, and I apologize)

Yes, actually, I do expect robots to follow the general laws of physics, which is why I don't like the vast majority of mecha. And I do like to see some depths in my heroes, which is why I can't stand, say, the character Naruto.

vashfanatic wrote:

A "moe anime" is any series where most or all of the girls are moe (as in this one) and the plot is primarily moe-driven, that is, where (as stated in this review) the story centers around the male lead. People don't like this style of story because 1) it sometimes eliminates strong female leads, women who can take care of themselves

Almost all of the Clannad girls can take care of themselves. The After Story continues even after the main cast graduates from high school and the girls seem to be doing well even without meeting Tomoya for several years. The characters who really needs help is spoiler[Tomoya. Nagisa is helping him much more than he is helping her.] I really hate how moe is constantly used in different meanings, because Tomoyo, Kyou and Yukine don't really fit the helpless "little sister moe" you are talking about.

vashfanatic wrote:

I've yet to hear of one where it's female) goes around fixing the girls' problems, or helping them fix their own problems

Fruits Basket and a mountain of shoujo manga and otome games have the heroines helping people with their problems. If it needs to be a girls fixing other girls problems, then there is several yuri games and Maria-sama ga Miteru.

vashfanatic wrote:

(And if anyone brings up my agreement with such snark on the Shigurui thread, I had foolishly assumed that no moe-fan would be reading a thread on an hyperviolent series like Shigurui, and I apologize)

Few people are pure moe-fans. Most of the time they are people who just happen to also like "moe". I think Clannad After Story was a masterpiece, but I also like watching old shows like Patlabor, Gunbuster and Macross or violent shows like Shigurui. Just look at Genshiken, all of the guys like both Kujibiki Unbalance and original Gundam.

vashfanatic wrote:

Yes, actually, I do expect robots to follow the general laws of physics, which is why I don't like the vast majority of mecha. And I do like to see some depths in my heroes, which is why I can't stand, say, the character Naruto.

This was mainly aimed at Dom and his love of super robots. I love both real and super robots and was trying to make a point that certain type of tropes are to expected in certain type of shows.

Where were you when I was mauled in the After Story thread for having this same opinion? I could have used some support there
But, I liked the first Clannad series enough to just stick with that one and forget about After Story. I even liked it enough to forgive the absence of a dub. But in the end, I'd have to say that Kanon was my favorite of the Key series'.

Taiyz wrote:

It's the fact that every single series like this, when reviewed on ANN, is referred to as a "moe" anime with "broken" girls. As if moe was actually a genre instead of a design trend. I find these comments to be severe overreactions, and some sort of private joke that nobody's laughing at. I would never relate a series to terms like that; I'd rather use more telling descriptors like "romantic comedy with minor fantasy elements." The whole "broken" descriptor I'd save for something more out-there like Shuffle or School Days; I think that the girls of Clannad have genuine emotional issues that a viewer will likely empathize with. Instead of being obsessively jealous murderers.

Let me ask you this: have you actually met a girl with "genuine" emotional issues in your life that you can empathize with?

Taiyz wrote:

Sometimes I wonder why we see so many complaints about moe on here, when everyone seems to relish labeling so many series' as "moe anime." I'd just as soon suggest to stop bringing it up and let the fans decide who/what they think is moe; if you think the community is shoving it down your throats, I feel that you're now doing the exact same thing to people like me.

Then wake up and see the fact of life, for real life is not like moe anime at all not just because moe is a fantasy, but also not ideal.

Taiyz wrote:

I'd say there's still a bias, but more in relation to the definition of the series than the rating it gets.

Good grief, any way they can slip an accusation in, huh? I mean here we have a very positive review of a series that ANN is 'suppose to hate' and people are still throwing accusations. Whatever, I'll stay away from that topic from now on...

As good as the series looks, only in the Key emotional scenes does its soundtrack make much of an impact, though it works quite well in those cases.

I hope ADV releases a dub/billingual DVD soon.

Oh come off it, you're missing the point entirely. I even said that I didn't think this affected the review at all. I'm referring more to the description MOE WITH BROKEN GIRLS IN HERE. Which is what my complaint was about. I just find this over-the-top labeling as annoying as the people who have caused this backlash in the first place.