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ABCBTom
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Agreed. I have no idea where the companies are supposed to get the capital to launch their same day release systems when nobody's even buying to begin with. |
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theaustincritic
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THANK YOU SO MUCH!! Finally someone is taking action against this cancer that is killing the industry. Scanlations have an extremely adverse effect on the industry, as they may off free advertising online, but stops the publishers and creators from recieving money. Plus it's illegal. Enough said.
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dark_serenity
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thats not my point, but on that note i do follow rightstuff to get an updated list of manga that'll be comin out in the next few months, what i meant is that some manga titles will NEVER EVER EVA come to the states, and i understand i mean theres a million different titles out there, but i cant imagine on how many titles i woulda missed out on if i chose to wait for some random company *Tokyopop,DEL RAY,SHONENJUMP,ETC.* to release the title, im saying chances are no matter how much i wait it'll never come overseas...... we live in the united states we cant influence on how popular a series will be in Japan *which in turn allows it to come over here* im not condoning online scanalations, im just saying they give us an opportunity to explore titles that we may never have gotten the chance to read otherwise, the other point i made was that groups that scan titles urge their readers to buy the manga when it is released, and i personally do ^-^ |
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LordRedhand
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Popularity in Japan does not equal comes to the U.S.or is popular in the U.S. and it's great that you buy but you don't need the scanlations to do so or to come to that decision. And for all of those stories that you treated like nothing did you learn something? And why should it matter that we are not getting every series that Japan produces, not knowing about them I can't tell that I'm missing anything, I still have both legal for purchase and legal for free sequential art that teaches and inspires, so what have you learned?
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calimike
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Shueisha takeover raw-paradise.com two days ago and raw-paradise.com is redirecting to Shueisha website.
Raw-Paradise.com are raw & scan providers. I miss R-P alot!! 
------------------------ Update as of 4/18/10 2:27AM PT http://kidoailakutrad.free.fr/ is redirects to Shueisha website. Keizo told me two Raw Paradise providers defect to WComic blog (is clone of Raw Paradise website). I can't reveal wcomic's website address. I notice "Raw-Paradise" watermark is still there 
Did you notice RAWPARADISE watermark print on three images? WSJ 20 is out last week.   
Check it out at... Shonen Jump to Pirate Scum: “This is War!” |
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Cutiebunny
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As others have mentioned, the industry needs to be realistic. The majority of its readers are still in school, and hence, in this economy, may not have a job. To expect those still in school, whose funds are limited, to go out and buy every issue of every manga they enjoy is unrealistic. Doubly so if the industry expects that every fan will buy their items in new condition instead of buying used(or even checking them out at a local public library). Economically speaking, the world is still in a depression - Pay your bills or buy manga? Choices.
Not every fan is going to want to purchase manga. There are many fans who find the animated versions more enjoyable and will purchase the DVDs instead. Unless these people have unlimited funds, there's going to be a certain limit to their purchases. The best solution would be for these companies to either recruit the services of fanlators and then charge others to view the translations. Of course, the companies need to charge a reasonable price for this service - otherwise, the majority of scanlation readers will find cheaper(read: FREE) alternatives. In Japan, many monthly manga include a whole slew of promotional items to get you to buy the magazine. I suggest that the US companies start doing the same. I would be more inclined to buy manga IF I knew that I stood a chance at getting a signed shikishi(board). This wouldn't cost the company much(other than shipping) & the artist could sketch one out in a matter of minutes. |
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Haterater
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@ Cutiebunny
To add to this, people also need to realize that some people are just pirates through and through. Even if they did have the money, they wouldn't buy it anyway. That's why I'm always a bit weary when companies judge a series based on things online things like fansub sites/scanlations because numbers are skewed by these types. Budget things around stuff like this, and hopefully it won't overshot the companies expectations. Don't budget accordingly, then it'll just get downhill from there. |
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Pedestrian A
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The Internet is not happy.
You can wait to see some kind of backlash in various forms. Anyhow, support the manga if it is available in your region, and you happen to like the series. |
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Paploo
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Everyone always says title ___________ will never get licensed, but y'know what? Title __________ often does get licensed. And you can always just BUY THE JAPANESE EDITION AND IMPORT IT. I have lots of random japanese manga I'll never see an english ed. of because I pick some up once in awhile. I'd be much happier if scanlators just posted a translation and a link on where to buy the japanese edition. Which is something Jake Forbes suggested in his mangablog.net editorial, and something people used to do before scanlations for that matter. The only stuff that has absolutely no chance of making it over here is child pornography, and what sicko wants that? Even the most violenet art manga has a chance with a publisher like Last Gasp if enough people support what they're putting out now. Everythingelse has a pretty decent chance of making it over here, and the only thing that really stops a lot of it is the downturn in sales and lack of support for smaller publishers who specialized in niches like Aurora, Dr.Master and GoManga (whom I'm hoping isn't meeting the same fate as the first two). Some are still around, like Fanfare Ponent Mon, Last Gasp, NetComics, Digital Manga, CMX, Fantagraphics, Icarus, Udon, and others, and it's important to support them, because they're the ones who'll bring the non-mainstream stuff to us like kids manga, art manga, adult manga, korean manwha, and stuff from smaller japanese pubs. We'd be getting a LOT more of the titles you think won't make it here if everyone who just reads scans went out and bought a book or two a month. Licensing has gone down, because sales have gone down. If you want more titles, you have to support the market. Telling a grocery shop owner how she should do her business while you're sneakingin at night and stealing her merchandise isn't really the best way to go about things. I imagine there are some scanlators who attempt some kind of ethics [if still misguided about whether or not it's ethical to steal someone's work], but it's pretty clear they're not the majority, or that their stuff isn't the majority of what's distributed. When you constnatly have fans who have no idea something is licensed when it's been available for months on end and I have 3 volumes of it on my shelf, it's clear that something is very wrong with a large chunk of online fandom, getting their information from poor sources, and only growing on irreputable sites that pop up first on google. Last edited by Paploo on Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:51 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Paploo
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If someone can't handle a publisher asking them politely to not steal their stuff, then they're not really a fan. Some have a middleground on it which I can understand, but the outright freakouts as if fandom were going to be destroyed by this are right out there, and I can't really understand any of that. Actions fans take have consequences, and it'll be interesting to watch how it all folds out. |
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littlegreenwolf
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Haha, that brings back memories. I remember doing this with InuYasha in middle school. There was some lovely site out there with a guy translating InuYasha chapters weekly and I'd go on, Japanese volume in hand and read back and forth with the panels. ... god damn I was a desperate fangirl. Thank god viz picked up the title eventually. When I was helping scanlate Matantei Loki we had many request for just the scripts, so we'd release them with the scanlated chapter for those who already owned the comic which it seemed many fans did. I believe too that txt translations like this are actually legal, but my memory is blurry on the subject. Anyone know? |
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Paploo
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I did the same thing when I acquired the final two japanese Sailor Moon volumes ages and ages ago. Read script while browsing through the comic I bought :) Thankfully, I've since learnt some japanese.... I'm very grateful most japanese comics are aimed at kids and have hirigana subtitles though. My kanji is very limited.
I'm guessing it'd still be a derivative work and not legal, but obviously it requires you to still buy the comic itself, so it's something I don't see much legal action on, unless there's a company putting out an english edition already [which would generally be easier to get anyways]. I'd suggest all ethical scanlators to just stop posting scans of the comics, and to just put up a file w/translation and a link on where to buy the comic. Though I'm guessing that'd just lead someonelse to make a scanlation from the translation, so it's all just a depressing circle 0_o I guess the bottom line is fandom is broken? Cause it really needs fixing before anything can be sorted out properly. |
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sdhd
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When it is all say and done it is up to the manga publisher to make a positive differences where manga is concern on the internet.
Last edited by sdhd on Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:56 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Paploo
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But isn't fandom a bully when it says "Give us everything for free! We won't buy the legit version unless it fits out delusional preferences and at the japanese price! Publish stuff that has no audience here and will lose you money!"
I'd give fans some room for that sort of argument, but when they're downloading up the wazoo and ignoring requests like the one in the article this thread is above, it's sort of hard to take. It's just so much entitlement, and makes it seem like there's this large stretch of fandom occupied by horrible people who don't really care about artists or comics at all. Publishers do have to take what fans have to say, but only within reason/common sense, and fans also have to take what publishers have to say into consideration if they want to have an equal romance. Otherwise, it'll just never end, like a Rumiko Takahashi manga. Should fans continue to be manga/anime's bad boyfriend? I mean, it's Shonen Jump telling us this. It's not like their titles won't ever be published here. Publishers license what sells, some specialize, some don't, some take risks with new genres all the time, and if successful it means more similar stuff- I doubt we'd be getting Cross Game if Eyesheild 21 and Whistle hadn't done okay for VIZ. Given VIZ, Tokyopop and CMX all have seperate imprints for certain books, that's sort of what they're already doing with stuff like Blu, TP's action/romance/comedy/fantasy spine labels, VIZ's SigIkki/SSunday/SJump/Sbeat/VizKids/HighCastle branded labels, MB's Kitty Media or Seven Seas Strawberry line. |
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sdhd
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I don't beleive the majority of people are making any kinds of demands about getting manga for free. Certainly there will be those who don't believe in paying for whatever reasons. The majority of people will pay to show their support to the creators if given an alternative to manga.
Last edited by sdhd on Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:54 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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