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NEWS: Downloaded Sora no Otoshimono Copy Shown at Funimation Studio

Nothing will come of this. Nobody cares about the stupid font thing.

Funimation owns the show in this region. A handful of zealots will pretend to be mad about this for weird internet political reasons, and continue to bring it up for another few months. There will be a few blog posts that use this as a basis for criticizing IP law. Some people who already weren't buying anything at all will point to it as a reason why they aren't buying anything. Fansub community drama queens will grandstand about it until nobody gives them any attention anymore, then they'll move on to the next "controversy", and the cycle will repeat the next time some meaningless thing like this comes down the pike.

Sorry, should've spoilered that I guess.

Zac wrote:

Nothing will come of this. Nobody cares about the stupid font thing. Funimation owns the show in this region. A handful of zealots will pretend to be mad about this for weird internet political reasons, and continue to bring it up for another few months. There will be a few blog posts that use this as a basis for criticizing IP law. Some people who already weren't buying anything at all will point to it as a reason why they aren't buying anything. Fansub community drama queens will grandstand about it until nobody gives them any attention anymore, then they'll move on to the next "controversy", and the cycle will repeat the next time some meaningless thing like this comes down the pike. Sorry, should've spoilered that I guess.

And this is why ANN is a joke. The staff (including the CEO himself) are quick to rush to Funimation's defense when this kind of hypocrisy comes to light. You continually condemn the fansubbers as self-absorbed, immature adolescents who pirate "for the lulz." You don't even make the slightest attempt to understand fansubber culture, instead painting them with broad, stereotypical strokes that help you maintain your veneer of self-important superiority. And why does ANN take such a black-and-white moralistic approach, always supporting Funimation and demonizing the fansubbers? Well, guess who pays for the advertising on this site...

You claim to be "the internet's most trusted anime news source." The sheer unprovability of that claim aside, I'm reminded of another news network that claims to be "fair and balanced."

However, a source at the company who wished to remain anonymous said that the company occasionally uses "unofficial" copies during the dubbing process if the acquisition of the original source material is delayed. The source said that Funimation's license makes the use of the content legal, even with a third party's unauthorized changes.

And this is why ANN is a joke.

And why does ANN take such a black-and-white moralistic approach, always supporting Funimation and demonizing the fansubbers? Well, guess who pays for the advertising on this site..

Yeah...totally. ANN is in the pocket of big anime. They just do whatever makes Funimation look good. That's why they go right ahead and report this thing which makes Funimation look bad. That's why they even go so far as to highlight the potential contradiction by reminding everyone that Funi is suing people for using fansubs in their news article. That totally makes sense.

ANN is in the pocket of big anime.

And this is why ANN is a joke. The staff (including the CEO himself) are quick to rush to Funimation's defense when this kind of hypocrisy comes to light. You continually condemn the fansubbers as self-absorbed, immature adolescents who pirate "for the lulz." You don't even make the slightest attempt to understand fansubber culture, instead painting them with broad, stereotypical strokes that help you maintain your veneer of self-important superiority. And why does ANN take such a black-and-white moralistic approach, always supporting Funimation and demonizing the fansubbers? Well, guess who pays for the advertising on this site...

You claim to be "the internet's most trusted anime news source." The sheer unprovability of that claim aside, I'm reminded of another news network that claims to be "fair and balanced."

What about the subs themselves? Has CR given permission to Funi to use their subs in this way, or do CR's and Funi's license agreements with the production committee let Funi use CR's subs in this way? There's obviously no reason for them to be using a downloaded episode with subtitles if they aren't using them in some fashion, and even if they found it more convenient to download Horrible's release, they would have turned off the subs if they weren't using them.

maylo wrote:

tl;dr Using that font without a license is just as ethically and legally wrong as anime piracy and should not be belittled just because it's a font.

Do we actually have someone who knows if this is even considered use? My guess would be this isn't and thus a total non-issue. (IANAL)
Is Funi required to license all the fonts in the video that Japan used? Probably not and is included in the video rights. Is this font used by Funi in publishing anywhere? No.

Am I responsible for or required to have a license if I download a movie from a publisher that includes an unlicensed font? Pretty sure the answer is again, no.

People who have been here a long time like Zac do know what's going on. The reason people demonize pirates is because they are having a large negative effect on anime and manga. When One Piece is popular enough to have a very successful podcast large amounts of talkbacks in various forums, it should be selling 30,000 copies not 10,000 copies (at most)

What service does Horrible fansub preform? They don't translate anything they just rip stuff from Crunchyroll. You can find this stuff on Crunchyroll for free. There's no excuse to use Horrible Fansub at all.

What about the subs themselves? Has CR given permission to Funi to use their subs in this way, or do CR's and Funi's license agreements with the production committee let Funi use CR's subs in this way? There's obviously no reason for them to be using a downloaded episode with subtitles if they aren't using them in some fashion, and even if they found it more convenient to download Horrible's release, they would have turned off the subs if they weren't using them.

Gamen wrote:

What about the subs themselves? Has CR given permission to Funi to use their subs in this way, or do CR's and Funi's license agreements with the production committee let Funi use CR's subs in this way? There's obviously no reason for them to be using a downloaded episode with subtitles if they aren't using them in some fashion, and even if they found it more convenient to download Horrible's release, they would have turned off the subs if they weren't using them.

Lol, well I'm sure I won't be the only one quoting this but I'm curious about what permission are you talking about? HS themselves rip the subs directly from CR and also the fact that it is within Funi legal rights (contractual rights) to use the scripts themselves.

A thief does not own the right to give permission in the first place is what I find funny but otherwise it is within their(funi) licensing agreement to use CR scripts.

I'd suggest everyone check out that thread and his posts on the matter before they go rambling off about these things. Also, agree with Zac's post about this- the only people who are going to get miffed don't buy Funimation's releases, are anti-creator's right advocates/anit-IP and hate R1 anime already anyways.