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NEWS: 4Kids Descends from Summit

No, you're embarassed at not being able to share your favourite series with your friends like in Junior High, and you are jealous of Naruto's popularity. If such is the case, you don't even *deserve* to call yourself a One Piece fan, as you clearly don't like the series and instead wanted to brag about something you thought was popular.

Am I wrong? Heck no! But if I was, you shouldn't be ranting on an otaku forum and instead move on to other things. Maybe an uncut One Piece will appear someday; but don't waste your life waiting for it.

So far, I've been fairly collected, yet here you are jumping to conclusions and stroking your e-penis.

KidsWB should have been the one to shoulder the show

I mean, One Piece isn't a kids show. It's a teenagers show and that 4kids should not have licensed it in the first place. I knew they should have had VIZ Media license One Piece and not 4kids. Let me tell ya, 4kids sure know how to make our lives miserable.

One Piece appeals to everyone in Japan, actually.

It's just that the show, in its uncut form, would be percieved as a show for older teens and adults, because our standards are stricter.

Fox Kids wasn't owned by 4Kids. It was owned by Saban Entertainment. In 2002, Saban was bought by Disney with all of Saban's shows switching over to Disney-owned networks like ABC and Toon Disney, and the former Saturday morning block on Fox was bought by 4Kids, which changed the block from Fox Kids to the Fox Box, which was later renamed to 4Kids TV. Shaman King was apart of the Fox Box, not Fox Kids, which was what 4Kids TV was called before it changed its name. The Fox Box was still owned by 4Kids; it just had a different name and Shaman King was dubbed by 4Kids. Check ANN's encyclopedia next time before you assume something if you aren't sure.

Why bring up the fact that Bobobo is still on the air? One Piece is still on the air as well.

That's right, everyone, I'm not a One Piece fan. I suppose when you ignore the fact that I buy the manga on a fairly regular basis, watch the dub every week and only download fansubs when the show breaks for reruns, anticipate the next new One Piece game every time I hear of one, and have money reserved for the first, hypothetical uncut releases, you can make it seem that way, but alas, all of my occasional ANN debates seem to end the same way...

So far, I've been fairly collected, yet here you are jumping to conclusions and stroking your e-penis. I'm just kind of annoyed that all of this crap was done to the series to make it more appealing to Americans, and it didn't work, so now the fans are paying for it. It's not as much of a big deal to me as it once was, because there was a time when I was a flaming otaku who hated anything dubbed and thought of anime as something special. In reality, and in the long run: 4Kids butchered some bullshit cartoon.

Since you've revealed your true colors, I don't feel I should bother to expose you for the ignorant elitist you are, but I guess I already did. My bad.

I love how you have to assert "proof". Why? Do you truely doubt you are a fan? It seems that way to me.

Do people really care that DBZ/Sailor Moon/Pokemon was originally butchered? NO. You only care because you "know better", which is the whole gosh darn point of localizing Anime! Most people *don't* know better, and they tend to like what they see first. That's not always the case, but 99% of DBZ and Pokemon viewers prefer the dub to the sub.

I feel the same way you do about the manga; I think Viz's crimes in bastichering the language, phrasing, and cultural references is irreverent and sinful (especially the Logue-Roguetown bit, with Viz's assumption of Oda being a stupid git/golden goose); however, there was nothing I could do except give bad reviews for it (to a bunch of people who already knew about the manga's edits), and I do get tired of yelling at a brick wall. So, I just buy my tankos and move on my merry way.

I'm elitist for feeling fine with One Piece being spread across the globe? I think the concept of "no dub in favour of bad dub" is a bit more aloof than my aggressive stance.

And you should lurk more and post less.

Do people really care that DBZ/Sailor Moon/Pokemon was originally butchered? NO. You only care because you "know better", which is the whole gosh darn point of localizing Anime! Most people *don't* know better, and they tend to like what they see first. That's not always the case, but 99% of DBZ and Pokemon viewers prefer the dub to the sub.

Actually I used to be very critical of the DBZ dub, and I still would be if FUNi didn't decide to release those 00ber cheap box sets. I don't care about those shows anymore because DBZ and Sailor Moon are out there, uncut, and Pokémon is being handled by a more capable company than 4Kids. Everyone wins.

I have no problems with the English manga, so I just buy the English volumes. A swastika being erased isn't something to import for.

No, but you're elitist for telling people they're not "fans" because they want the show to be popular. I don't really care if the show is popular or not, but as I stated before, all of the editing was done to the show in an attempt to achieve just that, and it hasn't worked, so everyone loses.

And you should lurk more and post less. I never said Fox Kids was owned by 4Kids, but that 4Kids.tv TOOK THE TIMESLOT. If your brain was run by reason instead of Anime, you would realize that with a name like "FoxBox", the transition from Saban->4Kids was smooth and reasonably unnoticeable, with the lack of Power Rangers (substituted by Tiga) and Digimon (which concluded) as the only real cues to a major change.

DBZ is being released uncut because there's a demand for more of it, much like Evangelion. The dub sold well, but since there's high demand for "more", uncut editions are easy money for FUNimation.

And...uncut Sailor Moon? WHERE?! I've gotta tell my sister! I thought Toei pulled the rights to the series and I've been dying to get my hands on some DVDs for her next birthday. Just point me in the right direction! ^O^;

ALL ABOARD THE DOUBLE STANDARDS EXPRESS! ALL ABOARD!

That comment wasn't meant to be vindictive/elitist, just to illustrate how silly your stance (as I saw it) of, "I like One Piece, but I would absolutely love it if everyone else does too" was. What other people think shouldn't matter; it's what you think of the series that really matters. Obviously, you *do* like One Piece, so I can't see why not having 700,000 other Americans like it should stop you from reading.

DBZ is being released uncut because there's a demand for more of it, much like Evangelion. The dub sold well, but since there's high demand for "more", uncut editions are easy money for FUNimation.

And...uncut Sailor Moon? WHERE?! I've gotta tell my sister! I thought Toei pulled the rights to the series and I've been dying to get my hands on some DVDs for her next birthday. Just point me in the right direction! ^O^;

I think it's worse than what 4Kids is doing. It's one thing to expect 4Kids to make changes to something to make it "more appropriate" for younger audiences, it's another for Viz to do the same for a niche medium. I'm heavily pissed off at Viz because what they're doing is blatantly for 'creative interests' that differ from the original author. 4Kids does the same, of course, but at least they're a bit more justified.

niche medium.

I'm probably the only person ever to try and get PAC action to force Viz to either dumb down the OP manga all the way or release it unedited. ~.~;

That comment wasn't meant to be vindictive/elitist, just to illustrate how silly your stance (as I saw it) of, "I like One Piece, but I would absolutely love it if everyone else does too" was. What other people think shouldn't matter; it's what you think of the series that really matters. Obviously, you *do* like One Piece, so I can't see why not having 700,000 other Americans like it should stop you from reading.

A lot of people bash One Piece for its silly style; I think that's a strength. Those same people hate the comedy; I think it's a bonus. And, lastly, those same individuals dislike the "bonding" of "my crew of nakama who I met three weeks ago"! I call that central.