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Wolverine Princess
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I have, just because I'll watch anything once. I regret it immensely. |
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Buster Blader 126
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Same here. I don't know how I got through it. =\ Anyways, My opinion on lolicon is this. If you watch lolicon, then ok. If you enjoy lolicon (in whatever way you want), then fine. I can't stop you. But while I haven't witnessed this yet anywhere, the thought of lolicon fans blatently professing their love for lolicon like nothing's wrong does concern me as an anime fan. As long as the fans keep quiet about it, then I'm fine with it, as I certainly don't want some 3rd-party to make a news report saying that "Anime is a haven for pedophiles" due to lack of proper research, & then be labeled as a pedo myself. There are still some people at my school that think anime is "animated porn," no matter how much I explain it to them. Heck, even a couple of my friends still have that bit of mentality in them. Adding pedophilia into the foray wouldn't make it better for me (or for the fandom, for that matter). & on an added note, after reading the column, I will never look at "cute" shows the same way again, as I never knew/thought that shows like Strawberry Marshmallow or Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha would cater to such an audience. Although that doesn't mean that I'll hate/won't find a series entertaining/amusing just because it's loli (since I can watch virtually any anime without much complaint). For example, I started watching Chocotto Sister recently (which seems loli to me), but I find it rather amusing to watch. Long story short, I agree with Zac's response on his column. That is all. Now to change the subject:
I have. I think it's pretty funny. While I know that there's some fanservice in it, most of it isn't too blatant.
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hikaru004
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But, the execution of the anime version is more graphic than what those panels show. It definitely had lolicon material in it including nude shots and implied masturbation. This is not a series for those that are easily offended. |
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Zero89
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OK... With all this talk about "lolicon", I just have to ask you this one question: Why is it wrong to think that short, flat chested women are hot? Yes, I said WOMEN... I can assure you, that there are PLENTY of women like that where I live (Hawaii). Am I supposed to assume that they are all unattractive to every "sane" person?
I understand the whole issue people have with thinking "that way" about a child, but a lot of the people condemning the "Hot" comments about certain characters... (i.e. Shana, who btw, although it is never mentioned in the series... Is probably WAY older than 14), quite frankly, should educate themselves.... *note.... Not that I find them overly attractive. People just shouldn't condemn someone for thinking they're hot...* P.S. @Pantsgoblin: They actually make pedo hentai?!  Damn, that's just wrong!
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Sweet Lou
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Just chiming in, no time to read the whole thread, but I pretty much agree with Zac's comments. Lolicon just sickens the hell out of me, and I'm stunned every time I see people talking about it on forums, especially when they're speaking in terms of getting some kind of sick pleasure from lolicon. I want to puke whenever I read that crap. I fear the day a little girl gets raped because a raving anime fan wanted to mimic his hobby.
What gets me even more is that Japan is producing more lolicon material than ever, and it seems every single one of them makes it into the fansub/scanlating scene without fail. Please, I would rather there be 84 different teams fansubbing the next Bleach/Naruto-type huge series than ONE subbing a blatantly lolicon series. Read a Playboy if you want to get off that bad. At least people won't think you're a crazy pedophile. |
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Pleroma
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Heh, thats because I used the "worksafe" panels. Anime seems tamer actually, wonder how they will do the awsome "HYPER SELF-PLEASURE!" incident. Either way, Satou mostly gets over his lolicon after this and the whole thing with filling up his hard-drive with 30 gigs of loli and CP. They also haven't mentioned his drug use in the anime so far.
Eww, no thanks, I'll take my Nanohas and Ichigo Mashimaros any day over more of that shonen drivel. Who cares about intent, its often good quality stuff since its aimed at an older audience as a side effect of, well the other reason why it is aimed at said audience. |
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hikaru004
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Yeah, that part apparently got skipped. spoiler[That's how the fridge was talking to him apparently. It's 120 GB in ep. 3 There were alot of nude pics, including a couple shot in that episode. No Pedo Bears.] However, the only drug he's abusing is alcohol in the series so far.
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Ranma824
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I left at page 6, now 12 pages later I've caught up...
Personally, all debate about security vs. freedom aside; this is what upsets me the most:
"Cute" shows ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY made for those of the lolicon persuasion. Although admittly Buster said that this won't deter them, I'm sure there are plenty of other people who read the editorial, who will go to their local B&M shop, pick up a copy of Kamichu! and say "Wow, this is a lolicon and a perverted show! Every person who likes this show must be castrated!". There will Always be a small minority who will see what they want out of a show, even if nothing is there to begin with (as per every show that's been called out). Trying to label every other fan of the show the same way is just absurd. At the end of the day, I err on the side of people doing what they want to themselves. And I also can't side with someone who agrees that Azumanga Daioh has the "spirit" of a Loli-show. |
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PantsGoblin
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Wow, this thread has already doubled in size since I was last here...
Okay, ya... frankly, I find that idea to be absurd and actually pretty crazy. I don't know what to say to this...
... um, if by "pedo hentai" you mean animated child pornography... that's basically what loli is. |
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cyrax777
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to be honest other then the story of little monica I cant think of a liscened lolish hentai. |
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PantsGoblin
Subscriber Encyclopedia Editor Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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By "animated child pornography" I guess I mainly mean just doujinshi and images. Ya, I can't recall any actual animated loli. I just kind of see "animated" as encompassing all of them. |
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YUGI
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Animenation seems to be a haven of lolicon.
John O. has admitted in many forums of his unusual hobby. The sickest minds visit this site, and some people could get the wrong impression of anime fans. 1st sick thread The big question. 2nd sick thread Some of the sickest explanations in the world] Animefandom should disassociate itself with lolicon. The reasonings of watching lolicon is actually more ill than the work itself. |
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Key
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Geez, I go away for a few hours and look at what happens to this thread!
Guys and gals, arguing with Steroid is pointless. His track record in other threads has shown that he has a very hard-set world view which is not open to compromise or any consideration that viewpoints other than his own could be right. (Reminds me of Danae in the comic strip Non Sequitor.) He's an extremist, pure and simple, and history and politics have shown that extremists can't be reasoned with. I strongly disagree with several of his views - especially the comment he made about "punishing speech for inciting action is wrong," which to me shows a lack of appreciation for exactly how damaging "speech which incites action" can be in some situations - but I don't see any value in debating him about it. And that was not intended as a compliment, BTW. Anyway, this whole lolicon debate reminds me of perhaps its most savage parody: the OVA series Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan, where God sends an angel back in time to kill a young man before he can grow up to create a formula which does grant immortality but halts the physical aging of all women at age 12. (He grows up to also have a lolicon fetish, you see.) Last edited by Key on Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Lyrai
Posts: 173 Location: Potatoes (Idaho) |
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This may be completly useless, but would it accomplish anything if fans wrote to anime companies (TokyoPop is the main offender I've seen) and asked them to not liscense series that was heavy on the loli content? Like the Strawberry Marshmellow manga.
NOT ENTIRELY SURE ABOUT THIS, MAY BE JUST ME MISHEARING SOMETHING: I had heard on a certain imageboard that TP has also liscensed a manga that's completly beyond Strawberry in terms of pedo in it. Kodomo no Jikan is the name. All I remember was an elementary schooler writing something obscene on a paper relating to sexual body functions. I hope that's, er, appropriate for the thread. If not, remove it. But yeah, would anything be accomplished if one or a few people told companies that we don't like it? Or would that be like telling them "Don't make money"? EDIT: Clarified, found the name. |
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jgreen
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Someone actually said that somewhere in this monster thread? WOW. Talk about stupidity reaching staggering levels....
As Erik Larsen, publisher of Image Comics, said in hismost recent column, readers' thoughts and opinions do have some influence, but nothing speaks louder than your wallet. If you don't like a certain series, don't buy it, and feel free to tell TokyoPop your reasons for not buying it. Unfortunately, as long as there's still a market for it and people keep buying it, companies are going to keep making it. |
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