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The Xenos
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Am I too late to bitch about labeling shojo-ai as yuri? Hey, I always complain about wrongly calling stuff like Gravitation yaoi, so I guess it's only fair to speak up here too.
I think it's rather important to label them correctly as I want to know the level of gratuiotus sex is involved and if it's critical to the story or if it's just wonderful smutty sex. Also, in the case of yaoi, I want to know if it's explicit so I can avoid it. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just don't subscribe to the newsletter myself). Sure, the shrink wrapping helps. Yet it doesn't help retialers when ordering the book! It's tough enough telling if the book is made in Japan, nevermind the content the way solicits are written. |
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Dargonxtc
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HitokiriShadow
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Yuri covers both the pornographic and non-pornographic. Shoujo ai is a term that some people choose to use the term for themslevs, and thats fine, but its still yuri. If you need to know the level of gratuitous sex, there will undoubtedly be age labels on the releases. |
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Neverwhere
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Renaissance...I saw several people with the paddles at Yaoicon, were they really not allowed? That's just silly.
I knew there was more than one straight male there (other than my friend Erik), I'm glad you're not ashamed to admit you went -- and had a good time too! I had a surprisingly good time as well; I certainly wasn't expecting much but was pleasantly surprised by the interesting panels and good fan interaction. Not allowing anyone under 18 certainly helped keep down the mindless squealing, that's for sure. *smirk* Xenos...it's definitely not 'too late', I completely agree with you about wanting to label things properly. I don't like when BL automatically gets labeled as yaoi, or even worse gets called shounen-ai, which is really just shouta and not BL at all. I don't want to be a shoutacon, but I do like BL, and I don't particuarlly enjoy yaoi, but because I like boyslove I get called a yaoi fangirl. But is shoujo-ai the right name anyway? Does it have the same 'kiddy' connotation as shounen-ai (that should definitely be avoided)? I just assumed Yuri was much more of an 'umbrella' term to cover everything, unlike the differences between yaoi and BL. |
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jsyxx
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Ummm J-Syxx is also very much male, last time I checked. But I want to watch ECW right now, so I'll be back to discuss what I meant in an hour. |
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Renaisance Otaku
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HitokiriShadow is correct on this. Both Shoujo-ai and Shonen-ai are all but unused terms in Japan. Shonen-ai in particular refers to an all but dead art form specializing in young boy relationships. That trend died out in the seventies. The current flavor is known as Yaoi be it pornographic or no.
Shoujo-ai in particular doesn't actually exist for the most part. It's almost entirely an american term. In Japan, it's called Yuri, plain and simple. So you can bitch all you want, but you're technically wrong. They're american terms, and somewhat correct, but they are also incorrect in another point of view. I think it's important to bitch about tyhings only when you know entirely what you're talking about. 
Yep Neverwhere, they really were banned at the con. My friend and I were walking from our room, paddles in hand, when a fellow attendee warned us that the guideline forbade them. Since we hadn't picked up our badges, we were unaware. Needless to say, we were disappointed. At least I got to carry it through the hotel when I fist brought it in from the car. I got a few slightly evil glances from the few that made out that it was a Yuri, not a Yaoi, paddle (I was carrying a lot with it). It's a shame really. It would've been fun to carry a Yuri paddle at a Yaoi con. It's why they were bought in the first place (and for the shear rarity of it). Interesting that you saw some. I sure didn't. Though it wouldn't surprise me if staffers let them slide. They were so much more concerned with the wristbands, they didn't even notice on Sunday that I was wearing a Saturday badge. I'm guessing that last year or so, someone took the whole paddle thing too far. Shame one dumb person had to ruin it for the est of us. Come to think of it, I think I remember their website one yea stating they'd been banned. Ironic since Yaoicon invented the things last I heard. Last edited by Renaisance Otaku on Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:44 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Kouji
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Patachu
Past ANN Contributor
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Hooray! Someone who is actually correct! But unfortunately, you will probably be rebutted with "Well we are AMERICANS so we are entitled to use the MADE UP AMERICAN DEFINITION just as we did with 'anime' and 'manga' and 'hentai' durrrrhurhurhurhur." Curious readers may also want to read Gynocrat's ranty rant of rantiness on "yuri" and the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(animation)]Wikipedia entry[/url] on such. I know that Seven Seas luuuurves Japan and likes their things to be "as respectful of the Japanese way as possible," so I think their using "yuri" in the Japanese sense is entirely justified. EDIT: Kouji proved my point before I even managed to finish my post. 
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JaneA
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Curious readers may also want to read Gynocrat's ranty rant of rantiness on "yuri" and the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(animation)]Wikipedia entry[/url] on such.
I'd like to add: http://www.yuricon.org/essays/whatisyuri.html |
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Neverwhere
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Renaissance...I think if I had seen you with them I would have stopped to share stories of the incredulous (and sometimes downright rude) looks my friend Erik and I received at Expo as we took turns displaying our Yaoi and Yuri paddles -- with me holding the Yuri and he the Yaoi, of course. You'd think anime fans would be a tad more open minded, wouldn't you?
I'm just glad I was indeed using the 'umbrella' term Yuri properly after all. Yay.
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Richard J.
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However, if I badly misunderstood you, then that was my mistake. For the record, just to clarify some of my earlier postings about yaoi fangirls, it's a particular type that annoys me. The ones that bother me are those who constantly want to pair up guys who are either siblings or violently hate each other. The type who constantly claim that there is "subtext" for EVERY pair of male characters who are in the same scene together. In other words, I can't stand the squealing crazy fangirls. People who just like guy-guy don't bother me at all. And I'm perfectly alright with hearing about their therories about how two male characters are actually in love when there is actually SOMETHING to point at. (Like they're at least friends.) |
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Renaisance Otaku
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Hence why I said technically. I was mostly taking issue with the tone of the post. Sure we're americans and (mis)use terms all we want. I recognize that. We multilate our own language for crying out loud. Heck, even I will use the alternate terms fom time to time. Yuri and Yaoi just roll off the tongue better. Plus, everyone knows what we mean. So what if you have to add in, "do you mean pornographic or no?" Though as for, "just because the Japanese use a different definition doesn't mean America has to use the same definition" I'd have to say that's a bit ridiculous. If it's a Japanese term, one should use the Japanese meaning. Tom and Jerry's something of a bad example since it's american to begin with. Anime is merely their word for cartoon. Substituing one's own word for something is quite different than taking someone elses word and warping its meaning. Yuri and Yaoi are still Japanese terms and are more in context than the others. Especially since the other two imply entirely different storytypes in the history of the medium. A better one would be the word Otaku. It's come to mean "anime fan" in american, but basically means obsessive one whom never leaves the house(as the word means house or you). I actually defend this one though. Most people who argue against it saying you're labeling yourself with a derogitory term (which is truth of course) often forget that the word they recommend instead, "Fan", is in fact short for, "Fanatic", which is just as derogitory. So the point is moot in my opinion and you're just using fewer words. Let's drop it here if you please. No use in turning a joyous thread into a battle over mere words. Neverwhere, feel free to send them to me in PM. If you happened to spot anyone in Orange Robes at the dance on Saturday or Sunday, that was us by the way. |
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JaneA
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No use in turning a joyous thread into a battle over mere words.
So...let's discuss which series we would like to see picked up! 
Such as Maria-sama Ga Miteru!!!! 
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Neverwhere
Posts: 351 Location: socal |
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It is a joyous thread, isn't it. *beams*
Maria-sama ga Miteru! I really can't believe Strawberry Panic got picked up before Marmite -- not that I'm complaining AT ALL about SP, I'm very much looking forward to reading it, I just would have thought Marmite's devoted fanbase would have made it a first choice title. But then, who's to say it isn't? Maybe they're just having issues with the creator/distributer. I have asked a few industry reps this year if they were considering the title, but as they were more 'mainstream' companies they were rather non-commital.
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Richard J.
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I'm still trying to avoid turning into a fullscale fansub watcher and scanlation reader (failing at it too), so I still haven't checked that title out. Everyone seemes to rave about it though. Personally, the art style shown in the encyclopedia entry is a little outside my prefered range. The story does sound interesting though. Don't know how much money Seven Seas has to throw into this line, so my guess is if we want to see them nab Maria-sama ga Miteru we need to show support for what they have licensed so far. Buy it for yourselves and see if you can't get a friend to buy it too. 
I'd rather like to see the Simoun manga series as I've found myself liking what little I've seen of the anime, though I believe it's adapted from the series and manga adaptions of anime are sometimes less than they should be. Still, I like the combining of grity war story with very different fantasy world in the anime and the character designs are lovely. |
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