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INTEREST: U.S. Department of Defense's DARPA Research Eerily Similar to Terraformars


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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:12 am Reply with quote
We already know it's going to end in disaster.

Look at this:



They're already engineering PMS into the organisms!
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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:18 am Reply with quote
#839165 wrote:
The question is how would we go about creating an atmosphere which wouldn't be whisked away by cosmic radiation, nor flow out into space due to there being so little atmosphere. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has already estimated how long this would take to make and it would take like some hundreds of millions of years

Bio-engineered cockroaches might have their time in the limelight yet but there are other thoughts of terraforming Mars already in existence, a lot more simple ones, like building a giant ring around Mars to induce a magnetic field, and giant mirrors spread around LaGrange points reflecting sunlight towards Mars to warm it up while doing double duty by also acting as giant solar cells and powering the giant ring by transmitting the energy required for the magnetic field by means of microwave radiation. ...Things like that, for example.
It would take a lot of time, sure. But in the grand scheme of things, even human existence on Terra is but a flickering moment yet...
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...and it would take like some hundreds of millions of years

About the time it would take for a breathable atmosphere to leak out on Mars, if left alone. Still, if we ever get to that point, that's still a lot of time to come up with solutions. While fending off a few dinosaur comebacks and extinction-level meteorites...

Now, reversing the mirror thing to cool Venus, might sure take considerably longer. Though hardly up in the hundreds of millions either...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:43 pm Reply with quote
@Utsuro no Hako: If NASA and the government are worried about the $ that they would use on a manned mission to Mars, then we could apply the same level of logic of any large money-spending operation that the gov't does.
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Hyperdrve



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:37 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
You need a material at least a thousand times stronger than steel to encapsulate a planet as large as Mars without the shell collapsing, let alone finding enough of this material to do so.


I'm guessing you have enough knowledge on the subject to make some order of magnitude estimates.

OK then a giant planetary balloon which is made of a porous material, to maintain a constant atmospheric pressure. Ideally this material should be micrometers thick (or maybe even molecules thick?) so that it fits in a space rocket going to Mars. The molecule(s) making this ideal material should have very strong cohesive forces, and geometrical properties which allow for any interaction to be spread out evenly in the overall structure. The structure should also be easy to patch up and fix, in any case. Then the material should be somehow weaved into Mars atmosphere, while the surface of Mars is being terraformed so that it produces the air that will fill up the planetary balloon.
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:15 pm Reply with quote
I read about Dyson spheres (shells that encapsulate celestial bodies completely, usually around a star to harness all of its solar power); there has been some serious thought about how to construct them, as mad as it may seem. What Freeman Dyson meant was to have a swarm of satellites instead, also known as a Dyson swarm.

Dyson spheres (and their derivatives) are a pretty popular thing in science fiction, so the effort comes not just from astrophysicists, but science fiction writers too.

A possible alternative is to use centrifugal force, strucuring the shell as rapidly moving bands, to allow the material to support much more weight than it would if it were stationary. You also have concepts like the orbital ring, a cable encircling a planet that's attached to the planet and spins with it (Nikola Tesla had an idea like this).
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Polycell



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:45 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
45 years since we've landed on the Moon and we still haven't gotten to Mars. You'd think that in that time period we'd have finally gotten the technology and money we need to land on Mars.
We easily could have, but instead of a second run of Saturn Vs, which would have been the necessary precurser to any Mars program, we got a white elephant. Reusable shuttles might make sense some day, but we'll need something for them to bring down first.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:54 pm Reply with quote
I wonder if Mars would ever be a livable planet with its mostly-arid surface? Would plants really be capable of faring well there despite having limited frequency to sunlight, since Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun?
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Polycell



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:38 am Reply with quote
There's definitely enough light reaching Mars to do the trick, but the flipside is that there's enough solar fury in those rays to kill them without protection, which is what renders Mars colonization so fantastic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:39 am Reply with quote
That, and the intense cold (though greenhouses could do the trick if it weren't for Mars's weak magnetic field). The intense cold is also the reason for Mars's dryness: The water's all frozen.
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