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Did Netflix Make A Decent Death Note Film?

Xiximaro wrote:

What every comic fans wants is his favorite comic faithfully adapted. Yes they like the current Marvel movies, do you know why? Cause they are defeatists, because they think they know there will never be a faithful adaptation and they believe that crap(or decent movies) is better than nothing. That kind of thinking creates demand and because of it we have a Marvel Cinematic Universe, which translates too, "Sorry we can't adapt your loved comics cause we don't want to put effort in it or take risks, but since we can't admit that we created the MCU as an excuse". Tell me one non comic fan that would prefer seeing Spider-Man highlight in Civil War being, stealing Captain America's shield instead of what actually happened in the comics, Spider-man revealing his identity publicly and switching to Captain's America side?

Maybe it's cause I'm also an anime fan, but I have higher standards than that, which is why I dislike the MCU. I know adaptions can be both faithful and good. Just look at most anime adaptions. Sucks nothing like that exists here for comics. MCU Spider-Man is a disgrace. A GoPro vlogging millenial who gets his suit and powers from Iron Man and is more like Tony's sidekick than his own hero? Total insult, even worse than sidelining Cap for Iron Man. I imagine they skipped Uncle Ben because Peter cares more about Tony than his uncle in the MCU.

Main problem here is Hollywood wants the money from the normie audience and wont settle for just modest profit from catering to fans like Japan does. Comics are niche. Manga is niche. But what if we make a movie that is loosely based on them, but ultimately is dumbed down for a general audience? More money potential. It all boils down to greed why we don't get faithful adaptions. Then again, how come Japanese television and movie audiences love Detective Conan, One Piece, Boku no Hero Academia, and all those other faithful adaptions but us westerners scoff at the mere idea of a faithful comic or book adaption and love to hide behind the 'it needs to be more accessible' excuse?

@Xiximaro There have been 4 Japanese live action movie adaptations, a TV drama and a miniseries. Why is one US live action version that is different than the manga so heinous to you that no one can reasonably like it, and would only express positive opinions on the movie if they are being paid to?

zrnzle500 wrote:

@Xiximaro There have been 4 Japanese live action movie adaptations, a TV drama and a miniseries. Why is one US live action version that is different than the manga so heinous to you that no one can reasonably like it, and would only express positive opinions on the movie if they are being paid to?

I don't get it, I didn't say it was heinous, why twist things man. Everybody can like whatever they like. I'm just calling out that the reviewer clearly says that the adaptation ain't nothing special but sugar coats it saying in some aspects is better than the source(regarding L for example), meaning "This is not good, but Netflix L is better than L in the manga, so go watch it, those Netflix links on my review aren't there just for show you know?"
If the objective of the movie isn't adapting faithfully the manga, why call it "Death Note"? Better off giving it an entirely different name or advertise it has a loosely adaptation of the manga...

I don't get it, I didn't say it was heinous, why twist things man. Everybody can like whatever they like. I'm just calling out that the reviewer clearly says that the adaptation ain't nothing special but sugar coats it saying in some aspects is better than the source(regarding L for example), meaning "This is not good, but Netflix L is better than L in the manga, so go watch it, those Netflix links on my review aren't there just for show you know?"
If the objective of the movie isn't adapting faithfully the manga, why call it "Death Note"? Better off giving it an entirely different name or advertise it has a loosely adaptation of the manga...

leafy sea dragon wrote:

Are you really saying that Gus van Sant's Psycho, Hollywood's single most faithful adaptation ever made, is better than the movie adaptation of Shrek, which has almost nothing in common with the book it was based on? I can also point you to an example in Warcraft and Watchmen, Hollywood movies that were catered very much for the fans that the general public hated. You're under the impression that what draws a fan into a work is what will draw everyone else in too.

I'm under the impression that, if a faithful adaptation can(possibility) draw both the fans and the non existing fans, why not do it instead of a loosely adaptation that will mostly attract non fans(if there's the possibility, it's better to attract two types of audiences instead of only one, no)? If the source(manga) did attract non fans in the first place why can't the faithful movie adaptation do it too? Please don't twist my point of view.
Aren't we talking about anime here, why are you bringing comics? We can talk about them. What every comic fans wants is his favorite comic faithfully adapted. Yes they like the current Marvel movies, do you know why? Cause they are defeatists, because they think they know there will never be a faithful adaptation and they believe that crap(or decent movies) is better than nothing. That kind of thinking creates demand and because of it we have a Marvel Cinematic Universe, which translates too, "Sorry we can't adapt your loved comics cause we don't want to put effort in it or take risks, but since we can't admit that we created the MCU as an excuse".
Tell me one non comic fan that would prefer seeing Spider-Man highlight in Civil War being, stealing Captain America's shield instead of what actually happened in the comics, Spider-man revealing his identity publicly and switching to Captain's America side?

Aren't we talking about anime here, why are you bringing comics?

Mark Millar is kind of a hack. Both Civil War comic series have been terrible. The film was good because it differed even though it worked upon the concept. Also, just saying, the MCU never stated it was going to be any direct copy of anything. It's its own continuity and in the Marvel multiverse actually exist.

Like, the spirit of these stories and characters are what's most important, and considering comics have literally DECADES of freaking source material and MULTIPLE incarnations by dozens of writers, adapting everything to the T is damn near impossible.

Woomy wrote:

Like, the spirit of these stories and characters are what's most important, and considering comics have literally DECADES of freaking source material and MULTIPLE incarnations by dozens of writers, adapting everything to the T is damn near impossible.

The spirit of the comics, eh? The MCU can't even acknowledge Reed Richards or the X-Men. Iron Man is the leader of the Avengers instead of Cap. Mandarin is the figment of some random rich white guy's imagination . Pepper x Tony is pushed hard instead of Pepper x Happy. Flash is a shrimpy foreign dweeb my little sister could beat up. Mary Jane is an ugly, snarky afrocentric chick. Spider-Man is Iron Man Jr. Nova is some old fat guy. I could go on but there's too much to list.. basically the movies laugh at the spirit of the comics.

Sounds like your main beef is Tony is the bad guy in Civil War. That's kind of the point. We're talking about a guy who shot his friend Bruce Banner into space because he was seen as too dangerous to live on Earth. Tony's an asshole. It's his thing. He's not this charismatic, quippy Robert Downy Jr guy.

Yeah, the Japanese Death Note films changes stuff, but they already did a faithful adaption in the form of the anime. They earned the right to mess around and experiment. Hollywood, on the other hand, skips step one and always goes to 2. The best thing they could have done is make it an unrelated story, like what if a random American guy gets a Death Note totally unrelated to Light's story. Not trying to pass these people off as the manga cast. Like how Witchblade's anime was about a random Japanese woman got a witchblade, and not Sara. Same universe, different setting and characters. People would have been far less anal about the film if they did that.

This is just dumb now.