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ACｘS
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Demons giving humans growth hormones? WHAT! That's our solution for producing fattier chickens. Get your own solution! When Norman was explaining about building a paradise by literally causing demon genocide, I knew, "oh this will not bode well with Emma". The same one who just learned how demons are no different from humans; they just happen to be above humans in the food chain. Emma's goal is to find the human world, Norman's is to simply make one. Basically, a clash of ideology and moral conscience. Even if we root for the kids, it's creepy to see their smiling face while Norman preaches "let's wipe out the demon race!  )" I also knew that Ray would be strongly against it (morally but not consequentially), and Emma would be conflicted between her personal goal and Norman's.
But at least I knew there's something about the demons' physiology: they have to subsist on human meats. Otherwise, they would just devolve and become feral. As for Sonju and Mujika, I already suspected that their story hasn't ended even if Emma, Ray and others have left the forest,(the ED featuring them is already indicator; it would be weird to show them if their story has ended for good). Emma and Ray already did the favor of raising the issue about their "humanitarian" lifestyle, so now that's going to be the main issue. Chances are 1) their lifestyle isn't all that's cracked up to be, or 2) it's going to be a moral dilemma where Emma and Ray have to choose between Norman or Mujilka/Sonju. I heard that this anime adaptation deviated from the original source with the story, but as someone who doesn't follow manga, I like where this show is going. Emma and Ray now has to contend with the truth: that Norman has changed, and his presence poses more problems for them than solutions. |
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DuskyPredator
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Just as we learned some information about demons, we realise that there must be an odd contradiction to other demons we have seen. The nickname for the supposedly vegan girl demon certainly sounded ominous.
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ACｘS
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Ah. Interesting plot development. So... the "Evil-Blooded Demon" title is just clickbait. There's nothing "evil" about her blood; it's a label created by the farm conglomerate so they can monopolize their power. What a... human thing to do, ironically. Imagine what it's like when two sides have a deal, one side has its own idea of how to gather its influence to keep the deal in check, and then a girl shows up with a solution that can literally upend that deal. Mujika can basically tear down an empire. I'll be clear about one thing: Norman's allies will eventually die. No need to explain what is the Lambda seizure or how it works; those are all minor details. For the sake of the plot, they will die. And Norman will probably die too; he's probably suffering from the effects of the experiments he took at the lab. But, Norman being Norman, wouldn't tell Emma and Ray about what exactly he went through, so of course he said that he only took tests. And like I've suspected a while ago, there are many unknowns: Minerva is dead (Norman, are you telling the truth?), "how does the gate work?", "are there really two different worlds? Is it a border, or really, a different dimension?", and...
Yeah, this too. But the whole "the only way to the human world is through Grace Farm"? Pfft, of course! How convenient is that! No, I'm not directing to Emma; I'm talking to you, the writers! How convenient it is when Isabella is plotting to get all the runaway children back, and now she doesn't have to do anything because eventually they will come back, not just for the remaining children, but also that's where their end goal is? Man, too easy. |
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ACｘS
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Norman's flashback was how I thought it would be: fruitless. Well, not entirely fruitless. By fruitless, I mean it doesn't really add anything to the plot. Norman was sent to a lab, experienced horrible experiments that made him what he is. Doesn't matter what exactly caused him to be dying, or what exactly are the experiments, or what exactly is the Lambda seizure; those are just details. Even without the flashback, we could've imagined what happened at the lab, and the story would've made sense anyway (it's also a plot device to explain Norman's desperation). But the flashback did raise a few questions (at least for me): - Norman knew Peter Ratri was in charge of the research. He knew that Peter was behind all the lab's horrors. So does he blame him for it? - What was the work arrangement at the lab: human subordinates with demon superiors, the other way round, or just a bit of both? Peter is the boss, so that makes him a traitor against humanity. Norman realizes this, right? He can't just hate and annihilate demons without acknowledging that humans also allowed atrocities to happen, right? Norman should've known that even before meeting Peter. Just look at Isabella. Norman realizes the true horrors of his actions is real, as trite as it may be. I can understand why he's realizing the horrors only now. From psychology literature, we know how humans are ironically capable of committing mass murder from a distance but not kill someone with our own hands (at least not without difficulty). If one doesn't have to directly experience their horrors, it's far simpler. In fact, we're the only species who are able to do this. Norman just had a crash course in it. Another fascinating point is how the old demon was also immune to degeneration. It shouldn't surprise us: nobody said that Sonju and Mujika are the only ones with immunity! If anyone thinks they were, then guess what: confirmation bias! Nobody's immune to confirmation bias, not even Norman. |
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ACｘS
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Pfft, that was easy. Too easy. It's anticlimactic. I thought that Norman's followers would have put up a lot more resistance to Emma's ideals. I get it that Norman can't find it in him to commit genocide—we know he's pure-hearted and selfless―but at least it would be natural for his followers to feel betrayed. But nooo, you know what their response basically is when Norman confessed his feelings? "Same." Honestly, I was hoping that the story took the ballsy route by making Norman the enemy whom Emma and Ray have to fight against together with Grace Field. That would've been a lot more intriguing, both in plot and discussion on morals. But no, the team gets a blueprint (how convenient!), they're heading back to the farm, and everyone has a reason to go there, including Norman's allies. Like I said, too easy.
Despite the unexpected plot, I still think they're going to die. Maybe even Norman too. But now, I'm certain that Vincent will die first. Vincent is planning to throw everyone under the bus, but then will get betrayed by Grace Field (because really, they have no reason to honor the deal) and get killed. I can see it all now. |
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ACｘS
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Okay fine, you win. You had me there. It's not the first time you pulled off an anticlimactic cliffhanger. Evil-blooded = a label by the farms. Norman's genocide plan = completely nullified by the Mujika/Sonju/Old Demon's blood. Now, Vincent's plan = bluff. But you know what? This series is turning out to be rather disappointing. Not because it's deviating from the original source—which doesn't matter to me, since I've never read it—but because the story is wrapping up wayyyy too easily. It's like either the show is hastily trying to tie all loose ends—there are only two episodes left now—or it's running out of ideas. Isabella turning the tables? Civilians pitching in? It's like the show's trying it wrap itself up! Meanwhile, I'm going: "Really, that's it?" My guesses from previous post may not hold anymore, but seeing as how the show is taking the easy way out to end everything, I'm not that disappointed at being wrong. I'm more disappointed at the show as a whole. And no, I'm not being a sore loser. |
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DuskyPredator
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Season 2, Episode 11 (finale)
I think that I am mostly okay with the series seeming to end with the majority of the kids and mums going to the human world, and the events of Emma and gang change the monster world and save the other kids mostly be a kind of slideshow, finally ending on a kind of aged up Phil being reunited with his big sister Emma. I can still complain about other elements of the story of this season, like it did not take being knowable of some source material stuff to know it felt like a bunch of stuff was skipped over. It did feel like a rush to the end to cover this two seasons, where without really knowing what was skipped over, I kind of feel like this season's timeline could have been put over double that. I think in my opinion is that this season kind of lost what made the first season so great, its sense of paranoia, trying to follow mysteries while in a very hostile environment, and the details evolve in big moments. There were the hints of things here and there, but it did kind of feel like some of it was rushed to get through the story beats that were written, things could have been extended more. For arguments sake, more paranoia could have been done around their two demon escorts, with maybe the hint that they were indeed leading them into a trap as schemers every bit devious as what came in the first season. But at the very end some part of Emma's sticking to her sense of humanity managed to win over Mujika. It was from watching a video by Mother's Basement, where I saw all the clues pointed out that was an absolute genius, that he was the voyeur that we occasionally saw the POV from in spying and was doing things on his end. I kind of feel like some of this could have been some episodes, showing who the real Phil was that happily smiled at Mom as the older kids were running away. But this season just kind of ended up at a part where the kids were being told they were being shipped up and we could see that Phil was terrified, a bit more could have been done to really make us empathise with Phil. Granted, I don't know if this thing is part of the source material. It was just kind of half baked in certain parts, compared to the first season specifically. My rating is Good (7/10), you can thank parts like the bunker episode, that it already had characters I cared about, and made me care about the demons, but it did not quite live up to the hype of the first season. I imagine a reason being that they had a limited time to put what was left, perhaps that was the best they could do. |
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Blood-
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I rated the season Excellent, but I fully admit that grade is inflated as a function of having really enjoyed the first season, so the show banked a lot of good will with me. And actually, I thought they did a good job with this one, too. I was wondering how they were going to handle the "life outside the farm" stuff and I liked what was offered. In fact, I was kind of disappointed when I saw Emma and the rest in the human world at the very end because I was hoping the adventures of the group staying behind in the demon world would form the basis of a third season. I guess not.
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ACｘS
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11, final:
5/10. I'm going to be harsh for this one. The biggest issue I have with this show is that it's severely underwhelming. First off, the first season was more exciting for me because, given that we have 3 genius kids, I actually get to see why these kids are exceptionally bright. This time, I don't get to see it. They're prudent for most parts, but I haven't seen how they are touted to be exceptional, as the first season kept emphasizing. Second, it's underwhelming because it's anticlimactic for many parts. Every episode seem to end with a cheap cliffhanger that turned out to be nothing serious. "Evil-blooded"? Just a label the farmers gave to Mujika and Sonju (I thought if they were really evil, it would've been more exciting). A traitor? No, just a bluff (a traitor would've been more intriguing although predictable). Cryptic writings on the wall? Just previous survivors being a little desperate (imagine if their safe haven was the site of some massacre). Norman committing genocide? NOPE, everybody at the village was saved by Mujika's blood (Norman would've been a much more intriguing antagonist than Ratri ever was). And third is the climax, or lack thereof. The story just wrapped up way too nicely. Their ticket to salvation is basically where the story began in the first place (if the Gate is that important in keeping the worlds apart, then why is a farm built on top of it?). That's a big issue for me; the story just wraps itself up. In fact, even the ending itself rubs me the wrong way; there are so many things that this show can cover but it just skips right through all of them! What happened to the gang when they confronted the royalty? Did they just defeated the whole Demon World and the two worlds have reached a truce? What really happened? I heard that an interesting arc was skipped for the anime, so many people were bumped out. I can't relate to how these people feel, but even I feel like I missed something significant from the anime. I was expecting a lot more from the second season, more so if it's supposed to be a grand finale (is it a grand finale? Seriously, I'm not sure). I'm not satisfied by it. |
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bonbonsrus
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This was one big disappointment. I loved LOVED the first season. I didn't hate the beginning of season two even thought it felt different than season one, but this ending of this season was really...bad. Awful actually. Like EPICALLY awful. It takes a lot to be EPICALLY awful and this did it IMO.
It's hard to rate this whole season since it was so...nosediving. I think the best I can give is 4.6/10 which is what...is it bad? I can't say decent in light of that ending...that God awful ending...that insulting slap across the face...seriously, are you not all outraged by the drivel that splashed across the screen? Is it just me? Am I being too harsh? Is it my hormones talking making me crabbier than I should be? I don't think I can watch it again to see if it was. Maybe I'll feel different in a week. I wasn't hating the story before that. IDK, I'm not feeling it currently. blah. Edit: I've decided the biggest problem I have is that I'm NOT outraged by this...I said I was, but in reality, I'm numb. I actually blanked out for a bit towards the end while watching and had to rewind and rewatch while paying attention which was difficult because I no longer cared which pissed me off more than anything I guess. Rating stands for now, just had to add that I guess. I cared about them all a LOT in the first season. Less and less in the second. By the end, not at all I guess. They could have all been eaten by monsters and I probably would have been more pleased then the cookie cutter clean fast wrap and happy ending that felt fake. Last edited by bonbonsrus on Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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DuskyPredator
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I think that it is fair to say that I am less interested in the first season after what the second season was.
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Snomaster1
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Last night,I watched the second season finale of "The Promised Neverland" on Toonami and if I'm honest,I kinda liked it. This season got a lot of flak because it was seen as doing a truncated version of the manga. To start off,I didn't read it so I don't know. For me,whatever faults or flaws this show had were in some way tolerable for me. It seemed to me that those who were angry with how the show ended seemed to want some kind of massacre at or near the end or something.
While I admit that this season was basically a Cliff Notes version of the manga that left a lot out,I really didn't mind it. Oh,yeah. There are those who are probably think that I'm being very charitable to this show. Frankly,I'm not that bothered by it. In my view,those kids had been through an awful lot. Why put them through more unnecessary trauma? Those kids earned some happiness,why not just let them be happy? For me,they ended up in a place where they won't be demon chow. What's so bad about that? If you think they should have gone on or there might have been something more,I don't mind them exploring it but for me,I'm satisfied with the ending. Again,they've been through a lot and they earned their happy ending. Why not just be thankful for that? I certainly am. If you don't think so,then I'd love to hear what you think should have happened. There are those who don't like how it ended. I'm not one of them. Again,they deserved to be happy. Why not just simply let them? Why traumatize these kids further? |
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