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Pinkayuri
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STRONG disagree. An adaptation of an action manga that cannot convey the action well, and can only establish its characters through blunt exposition instead of with the character's behavior/actions (as the source does) is a failure of an adaptation imo. |
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Takkun4343
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Whatever, those of us who like it still like it, objective adaptational quality be damned, and that's what really matters.
Also, best part this week was a tie between Kaoruko bashing a mook's face in with a block of concrete and Korisu's reaction face (you know the one). |
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jr240483
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at least its far more tolerable when it comes to the age play than say KODOMO NO JIKAN (which alongside boku no pico have become the "voldermort" of the anime community) who takes that type of age play fanservice to the extreme. and more importantly, its not offensive as say Knights of Lamunes, world's end harem & ESPECIALLY Redo of Healer |
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encrypted12345
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Well, that chapter got adapted. I'm pretty much satisfied with the result. Well, more budget would be nice, but I'll take what I can get. I do like how the anime original content provides more context behind Utena's mindset, just to make sure the viewer understands why Utena reacts the way she does in the end. spoiler[Yeah, she's degenerate, but there's still a core part of her that's cheering the magical girls on. She likes seeing them suffer, but she ultimately wants them to win.] One funny joke is that the magical girl show within the magical girl show was also obviously made on a shoestring budget.
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akitainu
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I like that they got the VA's for Sakura and Kero-chan as the in world TV show magic girl/mascot. Nice little touch. All in all I'm very happy with episode 7. Production values aside, it gave me what I was looking for in the adaptation of chapter 10...especially Utena's reaction to Sayo's corruption. Normally I'm ambivalent about anime original scenes for manga that I really like, but showing little Utena and current Utena watching the same scene from the magic girl show with the same excitement and admiration was a nice touch. Looking forward to Lord Enorme and company next week. Last edited by akitainu on Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:29 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Well, I called it Ep1... animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5452799&highlight=#5452799 I was wondering how long it would take but Sayo seems to have officially been corrupted. Interesting that that is the last thing Baiser wants and a fun bit that her VA changes tone to a more mature one to match. In contrast to the newly revealed "baddies" she has no interest in making a "trophy" of Sayo and I expect Baiser might actually turn good after all.
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ReasonableDaemon
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Hm. I won't necessarily say I disagree with the reviewer, but I do think there are are some subtleties missing in the analysis.
What I think this misses is that Utena is just as in over her head as Sayo. I recognize it's harder for many people to empathize with the perpetrator, in a case like this, but I think it's easy to misunderstand her as a character unless you try to. Is she going about things wrong? Absolutely. But she's going about things wrong in a way a lot of fledgling dominants either do or would have done early in their awakening. Consider: 1: She has never once been shown trying to attack civilians. Almost always, the fights are in abandoned locations with no onlookers. While there are occasions where civilians have been actively attacked by monsters, they have all been in flashbacks for the origin stories of Tres Magia, before Utena even became Magia Baiser. Now, it's easy to write that off by saying that's just the usual conventions of magical girl anime, but what I'll point out is that it is yes it is, and that's because Utena is purposely making sure to meet the conventions of magical girl anime. She could very easily cause mass havoc just by flying around animating things with her crop and then flying away, but she never does. Almost always she either flies directly to one of Tres Magia and fights them, or simply transforms and lets them come to her. 2: She has never once intended to permanently injure, disable, or kill a magical girl. (I realize the temptation to try and disagree to the first point with the inclusion of emotional and/or psychological injury, but the 'intended' part of the statement is important, and I will bring in the emotional and psychological aspects in the next point.) There have been tons of times where she has Tres Magia absolutely dead to rights. And in every single instance she's won, she's just fucked off and let them go. We've even seen Sulfur be frustrated by this tendency. 3: She is not merely ok with losing, but actively relishes it when it happens. Just look at how she reacts to Sulfur beating her up in Episode 2, she's not just happy, she's practically turned on. That's why I disagree with the second sentence of this excerpt in particular.
Again, I recognize this instinct to call what she has done destructive, and it at the very least nearly was in Azure's case, but what I don't agree with is that it was her goal. In fact, she's clearly horrified and depressed. It's not that she's worried about a hypothetical audience seeing Azure like that, it's that she, personally, couldn't stand seeing Azure give up. In fact, I'd argue that that was directly the opposite of her intended effect. Her goal is to be the ultimate challenge Tres Magia have to grow and overcome, but the second part of that goal is the most important thing: she wants Tres Magia to win, and herself to lose. So she tried to one-sidedly engineer a situation that's balanced on the knife edge, and she wanted Azure to dig deeper and find new strength to overcome the challenge and tip the scales to victory, and instead Azure gave up and the scales tipped the other way. Now, is that a horribly backassward way to go about things that has severe consent issues? Absofuckinglutely. Is it a horribly backassward way to go about things that has severe consent issues that is extremely common to find in young dominants whose initial exposure to BDSM is through BDSM porn, which rarely showcases the importance of consent and layers of safety precautions? Absofuckinglutely. Submissives are not the only ones that are awkward when new and get in over their heads, it happens just as much to new dominants too, just in different ways. Because the appeal of a dominant is their sense of control, you rarely ever see new dominants portrayed in media. But I'll tell you that going into a scene thinking you're in complete control and then having it all go almost directly the opposite of what you intended because you misjudged the submissive is extremely common. An experienced dominant can simply safeword, cuddle with their consenting partner, talk things over, and improve their plans for next time. An inexperienced dominant, on the other hand, thought they had complete control of a situation, that they could make it safe entirely from their own side, that because they truly had the submissive's best interests at heart they didn't have to run it by them first, and that is exactly what caused the disastrous scene Baisier had with Azure. |
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ReasonableDaemon
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Oh, also, on a purely factual level, I will mention that the reviewer seems to have their ages wrong. Utena, Kiwi, and Tres Magia are all 14, not 12, and that's above the age I normally see referred to as a tween. Doesn't really make things not problematic, but at least it's not a correction in the more problematic direction.
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Ryuu14
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I feel like the reviewer got Utena's intentions wrong on the last part. She isn't worried about children potentially watching that scene, she's disgusted by the fact that a magical girl, an existence that is looked up to by children, is about to let herself fall to the darkness. Utena enjoys making the magical girls struggle, she gets off on seeing them make it through the humiliating situations she puts them in.
That Magia Azure is just fine with losing and getting dominated, fine with not struggling anymore, is absolutely unacceptable for Magia Baiser. Edit: the sad panda meme is hilarious though. |
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Takkun4343
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Besides, there was a barrier up. No one would've seen what was going on in there, not even the children. |
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ItAintEazy
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Utena herself is the child fan in question who looks up to magical girls, it should be noted. |
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njprogfan
Collector Extraordinaire
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Episode 8, for me, has been the best overall episode yet. Magia Baiser's relationship/obsession with magical girls, specifically Tres Magica, reminds me of the Joker and his relationship/obsession with Batman. The fact that she'd go toe-to-toe with the Lord Squad and her absolute abhorrent attitude with their ultimate goal of world domination and destruction of all Magical Girls demonstrates her obsessive deep love of Magical Girls and the chance of battling/belittling i.e. sexual dominance; her shyness be damned. The scene when the three stars appeared was cool as all heck and when she goes over the top with her obsession ends up being my favorite scenes in this anime, the sheer darkness of her personality is frightening and kinky at the same time. This may be the most hentai-close series I've seen yet, (sorry Redo of Healer, you've been surpassed). BTW, I've yet to see one male character throughout the series, even in the background during Loco Musica's attack scene, which was the funniest scene yet! That singing....
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encrypted12345
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Rating episode 8 4.1? I suppose the reviewer got mindbroken. Jokes aside, this episode ended up being a lot better than I expected, at least partially due to what seems like a substantial budget increase. I certainly hope this is indicative of how the rest of the latter half of the anime will be done with only 5 more episodes left.
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Gotta say, it takes a good singer to sing badly on purpose and Aisaka-chan shows her chops! Although she's so good she doesn't wind up singing truly horribly but that "idol" number was hilarious and Kiwi-chan is brutally honest as ever (kind of like that)...
Speaking of VA's, I thought Lord Enorme sounded familiar and turns out her VA is also doing Pencilgon in SF and she is one veteran VA! Also, check her singing performances OP/ED, like K-ON. She's the real songbird here (also was Pitohui in GGO)... Last edited by Hiroki not Takuya on Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:08 am; edited 1 time in total |
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quoss
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Looked up Aisaka last (probably?) episode just because Loco's voice really stood out to me in a favorable way and whoa this episode. It's now been quite a while since the days of Haruhi and Lucky Star but I've never ever heard another actor who gave me Hirano Aya vibes. The song in particular threw me back to that LS ending where Konata ruins Valentine Day Kiss. Exquisite. There's a distinctive bounce to Hirano and Aisaka's voices that's really catching. Kind of lame to praise someone by only comparing them to someone else but really I want to say they both have really unique and pretty voices and provide great performances and yeah a throwback to one of the and my most beloved actors is welcomed. Hope to hear her in more.
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