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NEWS: Gundam Seed Destiny Coming to YTV

It's likely this shuffling is due to FMA dropping out of the 10pm slot - only three episodes to go, I think, which would take us to March. Maybe they'll move Eureka 7 to the 10pm slot - I would think they want to keep Bleach at 10:30pm where it has been... And keep InuYasha reruns at 9pm. Pure speculation of course, for all I know they are gonna start FMA reruns which would be boring.

I've never seen any Gundam and I was hoping for an opportunity to see some, but sounds like this is the worst possible place to start...

I've never seen any Gundam and I was hoping for an opportunity to see some, but sounds like this is the worst possible place to start...

As horrible as GSD is, it is significant in that it's the first anime series in recent memory that YTV has picked up that hasn't already aired on Cartoon Network. It tells quite a bit about how different the TV market is up here for anime.

Like it or not, GSD is probably going to do very well, and at the very least I hope it's the first step towards YTV picking up shows that are more in tune with their own audience rather than Adult Swim's.

Even Wing, which held the "Worst Gundam Series" title by a majority of Gundam fans before GSD, would be a far better place to start. It doesn't help that GSD is a direct sequal to another series and, unlike U.C. series, viewing the previous series is pretty much required. Sure, it gives a recap episode of the previous series around episode 16 or so, but that doesn't help much and would have been far more useful for new viewers around episode 1.

I'm no Gundam fan, though I did watch some Wing, GG and MSG in my time; from a Gundam fan's perspective, why was Wing so terrible? Granted, as a non-fan I could see a lot of problems with it; as a mecha show, it's really convoluted with a lot of meaningless pop-philosophy that goes over and over in circles, not to mention the annoying dispositions or lack thereof of the main Gundam pilots. Wing was also dangerously tough to follow and seemed pretty...worthless, overall. I liked the "shounen" aspects of it (get more powerful mechs, fight tougher opponents) but beyond that...ehh.

Is the animosity because Gundam fans believe Wing permanently and irrevocably discoloured the perceptions of the whole Gundam franchise? I myself used to stereotype Gundam fans as philosophical losers for a great long while.

And Duo "recognizing Trowa's fighting style" when all Trowa's doing is standing there firing a gun.

NinjaUmbreon wrote:

It wasn't that bad,

Wasn't that bad? The story was blatantly rewritten mid-series to cater to whining fangirls, character development would sporadically stop or turn on a dime for no other reason than to pimp a character's mobile suit, the story blatantly rehashed the first SEED, the animation was horrific, and the amount of retconning that's been done in only the last eighteen months with no rhyme or reason has been staggering.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Gundam SEED Destiny redefines the term "trainwreck" in every aspect, and is a living example of how not to write a television series. Or really, how not to write anything, period. Main characters are dropped without provocation, supporting characters are completely re-written on a whim, good guys are made to be grossly overpowered to the point that there's really no interest in their inevitable victory, there's...really no discernable villain to be had (given that the script flip flops between making Djibril a main baddie and a secondary toadie, and Gilbert...really was not defined at all save for a haphazrdly spun up "generic evil plan" and an ill-explained proclamation by Deus Ex Machina Clyne that "he's bad"), and the story spontaneously drags in places instead of using that valuable time to really develop the plot. I mean the Minerva was stuck ambling mindlessly in the Indian Ocean for what, twenty episodes? And barely five episodes from the conclusion we're given a flashback episode (not five episodes separate from another flashback episode) and two Meer-centric episodes, all in a row. And don't even get me started on Destiny's treatment of returning SEED characters. The living embodiment of gross inconsistency, every last one of them.

Yeah, Destiny wasn't that bad, it was so much worse. After the first five episodes, it ceased to even be coherent, much less tolerable.

Nagisa wrote:

And Duo "recognizing Trowa's fighting style" when all Trowa's doing is standing there firing a gun.

HAHA, oh wow. I almost wish I wasn't just a sad, confused twelve year old when Wing aired; hearing something like the would have earned quite a few 'lulz' from an older me.

Well, when you say it like that of couses it'll sound bad. I personaly though the series was decent until after the destroy, and that it when down hill after that. I mean most of the fast backs were after that. Or I could just be trying to justify buy it, in the hopes that V Gundam will get picked up sooner

Gundam fans are like rabid Star Wars and Star Trek zealots all thrown into a room together. There are two big factions that hate each other's guts (the Gundam parallel would be UC vs. AU), and then within both factions, nobody can agree and everyone's so freaking egomaniacal and stubborn that they'd sooner scream at each other than talk it out civilly. There's no real reason to it, either. It's just angry nerds being angry.

And if it's not obvious enough, I've been none too thrilled with the Gundam fanbase of late. Only a couple sparse haunts have managed to retain some level of intelligence and civility, and they're...yeah...very few and very sparse.

I honestly haven't had to deal with this problem much. Maybe this is more of a problem in forums dedicated to Gundam specifially, but I haven't seen much of this here or on AN (I've yet to see any Gundam discussion on AoD oustide of the review threads, so I can't comment on the situation there). Sure, occassionally someone comes up and tries to show that Wing is actually a good series, but a few people quickly point out all the flaws in the series and that tends to end it and it usually remains pretty civil. I've seen people who prefer U.C. series over others (or C.E. over others) but I've seen little outright hostility to anything that isn't U.C. (or the AU series of choice) and discussion tends to remain civil barring the occasional troll.

GSD would have ended up on AS if it wasn't so outright terrible, so putting it on YTV almost makes it look like a reject from AS.

Are you sure about that? If Destiny had actually been a good series overall, do you really think Cartoon Network would've picked it up, after how poorly SEED apparently did on their station?

I never knew the Gundam franchise was so large until the Yotsuba quarreling in /a/ and /m/ for SaiGar; I'd say the Star Wars/Star Trek analogy fits really well. We know the fans are there, somewhere, but it's tough to find them since they've established colonies in the most obscure of communities.

I don't think 4chan or those types of places are good place to judge various groups of fans. Anonymous makes EVERYONE look bad when things heat up, and with Anonymous, damn near everything is highly flamable, no?

keep it to your self.