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DClark
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I'm normally put off by oversized breasts, but I own a couple shows which use those style models. I own Grenadier and while I wouldn't rate it in the upper echelon of anime, it's a decent series and the large breasts were part of the character since she's supposed to be this offsettingly beautiful character who's able to take away people's will to fight just through love. Grenadier just needed a bit tighter ending than what it had; Rushuna's large breasts didn't lessen the series for me.
I also just finished Godannar, where it seems almost all the women (and girls) have torpedo breasts. With all the double-entendre going on in the show (the merging of the robots, the comments between partners, etc.) I could see the style of show they were going for, but if they'd have toned down the breasts a bit I think the sexual comedy would have still been funny, and the serious parts of the show would have been more emotionally satisfying. Godannar's filled with action, comedy, and drama, but I think while the character designs work well with the sexual comedy portions they slightly lessened the drama portions of the show. It's still a pretty good show (especially if you want action and comedy with big robots), and Kouji's "I'm not dead yet" running gag was funny, but I think I would have been more drawn into the dramatic parts of the show had they toned down the breast sizes. |
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Alestal
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They must all wear back bracers under thier kimonos.. |
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countchocula86
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If only we had some kind of middle ground, some kind of general natural size.... 
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Walker-san
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If its not as simple as that, then find something that is. If you so boldly require physics that don't defy normality, then find a series that does so. All I'm saying, is that melon numbers shouldn't affect a series overall. If you feel so, then I suggest you spend a night at a love hotel. =_=;; |
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Keonyn
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It's a valid concern. Too much fanservice can easily harm a series when it doesn't really fit in to the atmosphere or style of the series. So no, it's not as simple as that, it's entirely subjective and it's not unreasonable for someone to feel that oversized breasts are a problem when used poorly. I don't think they're going to ruin a series like the subject implies, but it can certainly do some damage; I agree in that respect.
If it just doesn't feel like it belongs, and is even used as a plot device in certain situations to toss in some weak humor then it can become a problem. It effects the immersive quality of the shows and the pacing and storytelling. If it doesn't really fit in then it always feels like a glaring distraction and the usage of the oversized breast cliche gives the impression that they're just tossing it in to attract a few viewers and cheapens the feel of the show. It'd be no different than if I saw my local politician walk up to the podium wearing sunglasses, a gold clock around his neck and baggy rapper pants around his knees. In some situations combining elements just doesn't work and can effect something in a variety of ways from general respect to quality to simple aesthetics. |
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Walker-san
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I'd totally vote for that politician. Bill Gluckman iz down wit da bitches and ho's!! But, I agree, it can serve as a distraction factor in a series...but should you honestly let it distract you so? I'm neutral on having big breast, or fanservice, or whatever. I try to focus more so on a series, and try NOT to stand on a soap box when I don't like it. If I don't like a factor in a series, I simply move on. Is that so hard? |
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Keonyn
Subscriber Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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People are different. It's going to be harder for some than others. I'm pretty good when it comes to ignoring it but I must admit there's been a few shows where I just couldn't. Sure I still enjoyed the series, but I honestly could say that in some regards I'd have enjoyed it more had the ginormous breasts been left out.
I can see how some might actually prefer it while others may be more negatively effected by it than I. Either way there's nothing wrong with a little criticism. |
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Samurai-with-glasses
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Meh. Anime fans have the lamest fetishes. Loli's, MILF's, massive udders, rape. It's so nerdy it's not even funny.
[/flame] -_- More honestly though, this thread displays a surprising amount of people with the attitude of "Who cares. You can't stomach it? Stop watching, get the hell out and don't complain." What's with that? Who the bloody hell are you to say so that one can't be bothered by massive udders on animated wimmin', and one who does should just shut up and "enjoy" the story despite the F-cup distractions on screen? Me, I don't like those big breasts myself. Real life? May be. Animated? That depends on the character design. If you draw cute girls and you find that big boobs make her cuter, alright; but what I usually find is that those same designs are more often than not hampered by the surgery work rather than benefited from it. Walker-san: Soapboxes are the whole point of forums, blogs, and may be the internet itself. |
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hentai4me
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People who can ignore the breasts should similarly be able to ignore the lack of breasts...those who cannot get over them would watch if they weren't so absurd...Those who watch only because of the big breasts would not watch if they were removed...
I suppose it comes down to numbers, would more people stop watching a good story if the massive breasts were removed than would watch it if they weren't? Now I don't know about you but I've seen several threads in which people complain about the massive size of breasts but none that complain about the lack of breasts in the general cast... So is it that far to stretch to assume that if a show had normal sized breasts those who like huge breasts would still watch for the story, those who hate big breasts would watch for the story and those indifferent would also watch... Considering that why should big breasts be in a show that is not about them? (Eiken for example) |
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countchocula86
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Jumbo cans can certainly work in some series, particularly, imho, comedic ones. And sure, one character with big, but not ridiculous, ones is fine too. But in Dragonauts it was like every new female character they introduced (in the first ep anyways) had freakin sweater tigers!
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Fallout2man
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In my opinion fanservice and the unatural level of beauty can hamper an anime, but only very very rarely have I seen it seriously hurt a story, and even then that's usually only when the story was weak enough that it couldn't cover for that. If anything the bigger issue is the fact that anime tries often to have these ultra-beautiful main characters who more often then not complain or moan over their appearance. To that end it can actually hurt the story far more then fanservice because it breaks the suspension of disbelief and makes me often think "Why is this person called ugly/old/etc?! why does everyone call them that?! you can't tell the difference!!111" |
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Goodpenguin
Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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Just the title alone makes the thread worthwhile.
In the same vein as the debate about fanservice, I wonder if a lot of this breaks down along generational lines. It's certainly not an all-encompassing example, but the general attitude/enjoyment of T&A is worlds different from when I started watching anime in the 90's, whereas todays fans often seem downright 'puritan' by comparison. That's not to say whats 'right or wrong', just a statement of difference. What drew me to anime, as was the case with most of my peers, was an interest in the visual creativity/character design/composition. The major story draws were the ultra-violence of titles like Ninja Scroll or Golgo 13, or more often the campy 'wink-nudge' humor of shows like Slayers, Dirty Pair and Gunsmith Cats which provided fun T&A hijinks that had largely disappeared from US TV. In all cases it was the animation/visual flair that was the real draw, I don't remember being struck by the quality of a story often. I know this will go over like a lead balloon, but I think the point goes double for today. I say this with thousands of dollars of anime merchandise in my home, but the actual 'writing' quality of most anime, in my opinion, is abysmal. Especially in todays market, most series are conceived as tween/teen drama-fests, and rarely threaten the mold. I'm still a big animation fan, and love the unique visual flair/imagination the Japanese bring to the table, but now more then ever much (or course not all) of anime is, to me, 'teen-bait' that rarely rises above base levels of melodrama. Again, it's all opinion and there's no 'right or wrong' here. Just in the chorus of voices preferring less and less overt T&A/ecchi, there are still some grizzled old 'mind in the gutter' fans who see it as a primary feature, not a bug. |
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countchocula86
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I dunno, Im a fan of fanservice, when its done right. Jiggling boobies, panty flashes, almost panty flashes, beach episodes, its all good. But when an anime unveils 3 female characters, each with globes that are so huge they oughta have their own gravity...I dunno, it just doesnt work.
At least for me, its nothing at all about the sexuality. Its just the ridiculousness of it on the background of an anime that doesnt seem like a comedy. |
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ikillchicken
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I think we need to keep in mind here, though the OP may have worded it poorly, he didn't mean all big boobs are bad. What he meant was that absurdly big boobs, to the point where they're neither attractive, nor realistic.
I can completely agree with that. I just see the size of some of these boobs and...well WTF? Thats really the best way I can put it. Is it the end on the world? No. I can generally ignore it. It isn't going to ruin the whole show. However, I just don't get why they feel the need to do this. With the exception of comedy, its just pointless. Its not hot or sexy. Its just well...again, WTF? If anything it actually ruins the fanservice for me. |
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Goodpenguin
Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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countchocula86 wrote:
I think in a round-about way you hit on a god point; rather then following a consistent writing thread a lot of current anime really jam in multiple, sometimes inconsistent themes/designs, like a counterperson at a 'Coldstone' mashing together ice-cream. "All right, we've got a serious, bittersweet coming of age story, lets throw in some hot springs episodes, mix in a wacky-oversexed Mom, and sprinkle on an alien invasion mecha sub-plot. There you go kid, enjoy." Perhaps market forces are pushing shows into the 'something for everyone' camp, and in the end no one feels like all the elements of a show makes sense. Some people look at Dragonaut and go 'Why are there so much boobs mucking up my story?', and others can say 'Why is there so much story mucking up my boobs?'. Twas' a time shows like 'Banner of the Stars' and 'Serial Experiment Lain' knew there job and stuck to it, and shows like 'Cutey Honey' and 'Agent Aika' did the same. Maybe too much 'mix and match' leaves a lot of people unhappy these days. |
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