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Looneygamemaster
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I've only seen the Clannad movie, and that only because of my growing interest in Osamu Dezaki. I think that's just about all I'll ever see.
I disliked it more than it deserved--strictly on its own merits, it's just so-so (also, compare this to, say, Rose of Versailles, and you can see how little interest Dezaki had in the film). But something about how it tried so very hard to seem sweet and innocent and TEACH IMPORTANT LESSONS ABOUT FAMILY AND LOVE made me actively despise it. |
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Angel M Cazares
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Very fun podcast.
I liked the first season of Clannad a lot and think it is superior in overall quality to the second season. I enjoyed the school setting, comedy attempts, dramatic bits and the girls were charming (even with all their cliches). I especially love the Kyou character. My favorite arcs from the first season are Kotomi's and Fuuko's. I have mix feelings about After Story. The first half is underwhelming and kind of boring. I liked the second half because, and yes, it is compelling to watch. The stuff between Tomoya and his father was especially powerful to me. The tragedy drama with Nagisa's death and Ushio is definitely heart breaking, but the cynic in me thinks that this tragedy stuff feels forced. AND YES, F.UCK YOU TOMOYA FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE PARENT |
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DmonHiro
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There is no Clannad movie. There's a movie with the same name, and it has similar looking characters, but that's about it. It was crap.
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gedata
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The TV series' obligation to its fans is why I vastly prefer the movie version. It's straight to the point and doesn't have the magical contrivances. It's basically what I want from the series crammed into movie form for better or for worse. The attempt to distill After Story's mid section down to a half hour didn't quite work, but I vastly prefer the ending we got here instead. Shame the visuals are sucked.
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Tenchi
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Does this episode have any music bumpers from Clannad (the Irish-Gaelic band)?
If not, missed opportunity. (I've never seen Clannad. I love some things from Kyoto Animation, especially Haruhi Suzumiya, and K-On!, and, to a lesser degree, Nichijou, Lucky Star, and maybe even Free!, but the visual novel stuff, for whatever reason, just never interested me. I just wanted to point out the existence of a band named Clannad.) |
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Angel M Cazares
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Then, why are you posting on a thread about Clannad, the anime if you do not have an opinion about it to offer. And I am sure plenty of people are aware that there is a band called Clannad. |
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grooven
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I'm also a female fan of the show. I love drama, romance and sad stories and I also love the artwork and I do find them cute.
Here are my thoughts (from Game player/anime fan) Comedy: While I found lots of the humor went on too long as well, I did like quite a few jokes. I thought kicking Sunohara was also an over kill. Looking back I think most jokes work as a fun thing to happen when you read the common route. But I do like the idea of an idealized school life. Arc connection: You do need the all the arc's because they are connected to get the end, same for Little Busters. Fuuko Arc: I did like her arc too, but I found it went on too long. There is also a double meaning with starfish (人手 person-hand) that it is a handshake. Kotomi Arc: Also confused with the Kotomi not having a guardian lol. I'll have to look this up I've forgotten if this was included in the game. Though Jun Maeda did not write her arc, it was Yuuichi Suzumoto. I love the suitcase scene personally, even though it is unrealistic. Tomoyo: Is most popular girl in KEY's latest poll. I did enjoy her arc too. She is only in the anime to link certain parts together. Nagisa/Character development: I enjoyed Nagisa's arc as well. I see what you do mean with character's being not developed. I feel we saw more of that in the game which helps, but not for the anime. They do show kissing scenes in the game I don't have any clue why it isn't shown. Yuusuke: I'm surprised you guys found his story compelling. I did enjoy his story but to me the biggest impact was with Ushio and the grandparents. After Story:  oh god Zac's frankness is hilarious about Nagisa being pregnant and the hospital. I can't help but realize that the parent's having custody of Ushio didn't bother me. I figured they understood Tomoya's pain enough to take her in. With Ushio accepting Tomoya I felt Sanae and and Akio filled her in on everything about him. Also leaving kids alone happens all the time here in Japan. My friend I'm staying with leaves her kids at age 6 to have a bath sometimes.
Disease: Ushio's disease isn't outwardly explained like Nagisa's. When Akio asked for the town to save Nagisa, the town lent it's life to her. When the town undergoes construction and change that takes a toll on her life. Her body is too weak to support the change. When Ushio is born she inherits this. Ending: Orbs are collected after each character to grant the wish. Angel Beats Visual Novel: Is still in the works is delayed like Clannad was. Maeda is working on Hibiki's magic. |
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Parsifal24
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My feelings on Clannad are mixed I feel like as a whole After Story and Clannad are good to great, but the first half of After Story feels incongruous with all the drama of the second half. While I have no problem with thespoiler[ "reset button everyone lives happy ending"]
As it had an internal logic as to why it worked unlike how My Hime used the same trope spoiler[in it's ending] and made it feel arbitrary and unearned. Also the arcs the focused on Fuko and Kotomi felt like padding in the first season. |
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Wakazhi
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Based on my own experience and seeing other reviews from people with varying levels of anime-watching, it often boils down to: the less you know about anime, the more you'll appreciate this series.
When I first saw Clannad (stumbled upon it through On Demand), I was in high school and just getting into anime outside of Toonami. I wasn't aware of the cliches, what "moe" was exactly, or even that it was based on a dating sim. Zac's way of calling shows like this a "middle school" level of romance (at least in the 1st season) is exactly what it reminded of, and that's part of why I liked it so much. There were multiple times in my school life after seeing this show where I'm like, wow that was totally an anime cliche, lol. I had made it up in my mind that I wouldn't get into a serious relationship until I finished school, so just hanging out with the opposite gender was good enough for me. The other side I liked about the show was the unfamiliar/Japanese context the show had that I was new to at the time. I was completely sold on the "cool Japan" vibe when I first started exploring anime. As a newbie, it was refreshing and completely changed my view of what animation in general could be (keep in mind, stuff like DBZ was all I knew about anime). Looking back, I still like the show as a nostalgia trip to look back at how I felt about anime before I learned the many dark truths and became somewhat cynical a few years later. Basically, I was in the right place at the right time when I watched it. Even then, I thought to myself, "I'm not gonna be into this show nearly as much when I'm grown and out of school". I've also seen reviews of people who were also new to anime really like this series and surprised by how emotional it made them. But I can definitely understand people not caring about the show, especially if they've been around the block with anime. I'd recommend this show to new anime fans that want to see different genres, but people who've seen a lot of anime have either already seen it, or can't bother with it due to the amount of crap in anime that makes Clannad look no better just from looking at it. |
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NormanS
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It's been a while since i last finished the fan translated visual novel.
But the reason why the anime fixated on the side characters and arcs a bit longer, and broke the flow of the narrative was because in order to get the true/special ending of the visual novel (the ending to Clannad: After story) you have to play through all the arcs and get the "magical orbs" which is said to appear during times of happiness and will grant a wish, (in the anime it is seen and explained after the gang wars arc, and during Tomoya making amends with his father). So while the anime at times have weaker arcs, break the flow of narrative, the whole magic aspect is both part of the visual novel's story and it is a part of the game mechanics, which Kyoto Animation decided to adapt. And i think they did decently. And knowing that bit, for me, is hard to find an alternate way to adapt the clannad VN without what they did. On a side tangent :spoiler[ , in terms of adapted KEY works, AIR is my top favorite whereas clannad is second. Little Busters would be along side clannad if it weren't adapted that way (it need much more episodes to fully build the emotional scenes of the VN), and i didn't enjoy the Angel Beats anime because it was too short as it didn't explain all the character's back story and was rushed thanks to the 12 episodes. (also i'd argue it wasn't PA Work's best work as well. But it did have its flash of brilliance like the band scene) Also, Tomoyo after was a nice story on its own, tug my heart strings back then even though it stretched the believability of it all] |
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rizuchan
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Glad that the guest speaker actually liked Clannad so it wasn't just
Hope and Zac hating on it. I was dreading two moe haters talking about Clannad... I disagree that Tomoya is never held accountable for spoiler[abandoning Ushio, and that he's a complete jackass for abandoning her. Remember that he is 19 when she is born - I don't think its unreasonable that when he loses his wife, her parents offer to take care of Ushio until Tomoya "gets himself together". When Tomoya starts taking too long to sort of pull himself into responsibility, Sanae takes the initiative herself to get him to. Sure, she could have smacked him into it, and maybe she took too long to get to it, but her method did work in Tomoya and Ushio's reconciliation. Also, maybe this was VN only, but for the record, Tomoya didn't have "nothing" to do with Ushio - he frequently visited the Furukawas for dinner and stuff, but as a young father without a wife simply had no idea how to interact with his daughter. I did agree that Ushio's sudden acceptance of Tomoya was a little unrealistic, but it was a nice, happy resolution that I think can be forgiven in a story like this.] |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I was probably in the same boat as Zac in 2007 and 2008, didn't care for the show at all and didn't get the hype, ya know, called it Clannaids along with many others. Then I gave it a watch in 2012 and just let myself succumb to the manipulation and found it an overall wonderful experience, less a few arcs that didn't quite connect. Fuko and Kotomi's arcs are why I can't shit all over season one like so many do, but it's hard not agree that the centerpiece is the final arc, especially after the first two worst parts that many up the beginning of After Story. They just did not hit any emotional core and skirted right past my heart and brain.
A weird issue I personally came across in After Story is I noticed the repetition of the score much more than I did in season 1. Maybe it's because I spaced the seasons out by a bit in my watching, but it felt like the second any drama started, all of the songs I already knew would instantly cue up which threw off some of the dramatic tension, like I could see the strings in the manipulation that much easier. But ultimately I came to enjoy Kanon more. I just preferred that cast of characters and especially the sumptuous setting. Last edited by walw6pK4Alo on Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Macron One
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While i don't disagree that there's a number of moments with nice character animation in Clannad, i don't feel that Kyoto Animation had really begun to consistently impress in this regard yet at that time.
Pivotal scenes have some good detail to them with a decent amount of facial expression, but this is also the case for earlier productions like FMP TSR and Haruhi. IMO, the studio only truly started to perfect the subtleties of animating body language in the Disappearance of Haruhi movie. Afterwards, you see them start to apply similar techniques in their TV series, starting with K-ON!! (season 2). I think Hyouka is probably the first KyoAni TV series to show off the full potential of their highly detailed character animation, to the point where you can get a good sense of what the characters are feeling/thinking by simply watching their body language. |
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OtakuKitten
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I know this question is tangential to the topic but I wonder if Hope would consider Hakouki to be "special one" type of harem show were the character's don't necessarily revolve around the main character. spoiler[I didn't watch too far into the show but if you don't choose a man in the game you literally get left behind on a battlefield.]
And with the girls who like moe question they had towards the end I think the explanation brought up is spot on. I haven't watched everything that moe fan's consider holy but I do gravitate towards the character designs because I think that the emotionless robot girls are sort of cute. Sort of like watching a dog that is chasing it's own tail the stupid clumsy character is cute because they are just sort of stupid. I don't always finish a show because I want the characters to eventually have depth but I'll plop down money on a figure of the character I liked the most. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I agree. To me Hyouka is the best work by Kyoto Animation in terms of visuals. Kyoukai no Kanata is also very close to Hyouka's visual quality. |
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